[Winnipeg I5]

Updated

Thought to summarize the discussions on 12 V battery drainage. Please point out mistakes.

• the 12 V battery is lower capacity than expected in a similar size class ICE because it doesn’t have to crank an engine. This means it is more susceptible to being drained and fatally damaged
• The 12 V is a 60 Ah battery. However, only 50% of the charge is available from a lead acid battery so the effective total power delivery (capacity) is 30 Ah whereas a similar size ICE would have a 45 Ah capacity. That's a third less power capacity than we are used to with an ICE.
• the I5 wakes and uses the 12 V when sending Bluelink notifications, doors open and plugged-in accessories communicate with it (e.g., wireless AirPlay devices trying to communicate with phones). This uses the 12 V.
• Using Accessories mode drains the 12 V battery. Use Utility mode which uses the traction battery if prolonged use of radio and other conveniences is needed. It can be challenging to know if in Accessories or Utility mode.
• Some third-party applications that use Bluelink can cause excessive waking of the car and drain the battery.
• Some think shipping cars for a long time across oceans resulted in battery draw and damage to the 12 V.
• the traction battery recharges the 12 V if the SOC is greater than 35% and the battery voltage approaches 12.1 V. It would be better if charging occurred at 12.3 V than so low to critical. The car tries 10 times to lift voltage and then stops until reset when the car is driven. One poster notes their car charges when below 35 % SOC.
• the 12 V won’t recharge with the lift gate open
• the front USB powers for longer when the car is off than other ports and accessories plugged into it will use power
• The 12 V sockets do not provide power when the car is off
• Some OBD scanners will draw power while the car is off, the same goes for battery monitors if they draw power while the car is off. We love our tech devices but they use power
• lights left on will draw power
• operating the power lift gate more than 5 times with the car off is a huge power draw
• having the car in Accessories mode is a major power draw
• there are some reports of parasitic power drain by the head unit and charging door
• a portable charge that many use is a NOCO GB40
• The 12 V battery will be damaged if the charge is 12 V or less. This is why the car charges the battery when approaching 12.1 V
• if a battery is drained very low it can be fatally damaged, especially in freezing conditions. A battery load test is recommended to insure continuing drain issues aren’t because of damage

Bottom line when not driving

• there is less power capacity (about 1/3 less) in the 12 V than we expect from a similar ICE
• it’s easier therefore to draw the charge down to damage the battery
• limit the use of Accessories mode
• For caution, keep SOC above 35%
• remove any plugged-in accessories from USB, data port and battery
• limit the need for the car to send Bluelink notifications when off (e.g., unlocked door notifications)
• eliminate third-party application use of Bluelink
• have all doors and lift gate closed
• have all lights off
• limit occasions car wakes up such as walking by with FOB in pocket or using Bluelink
• load test battery if voltage has fallen repeatedly below 12 V or a concern it doesn’t hold a charge
• if all above doesn’t work then bring in for servicing

please suggest additions or changes and the IoniqPedia5 will be updated. Thanks.

 

[JCF]

Does this seem to be a problem with 2022s mostly? I guess there is not enough data for the 2023 models, I suppose.

 

[Winnipeg I5]

Does this seem to be a problem with 2022s mostly? I guess there is not enough data for the 2023 models, I suppose.

As there are many reasons for a dead 12 V it is not model or year specific. I think awareness of the reasons will help lower the number of issues.

 

[TRT]

Just a quick note on OBD2 devices, since you invited comment.

Some cheaper ones do not switch off and can drain the 12V battery. But most, including some of the inexpensive ones, have a sleep function that shut down after a few minutes of zero activity (zero activity includes turning the car off). Make sure you read the spec when purchasing.

 

[matej.lajcak]

12v socket is off immediately after turn off car. My dash cam power comes from there. Dash cam turn off automatically when car off.

I can confirm it is the same for me.

 

[Winnipeg I5]

Updated
Thought to summarize the discussions on 12 V battery drainage. Please point out mistakes.

• the 12 V battery is lower capacity than expected in a similar size class ICE because it doesn’t have to crank an engine. This means it is more susceptible to being drained and fatally damaged
• The 12 V is a 60 Ah battery. However, only 50% of the charge is available from a lead acid battery so the effective total power delivery (capacity) is 30 Ah whereas a similar size ICE would have a 45 Ah capacity. That's a third less power capacity than we are used to with an ICE.
• the I5 wakes and uses the 12 V when sending Bluelink notifications, doors open and plugged-in accessories communicate with it (e.g., wireless AirPlay devices trying to communicate with phones). This uses the 12 V.
• Using Accessories mode drains the 12 V battery. Use Utility mode which uses the traction battery if prolonged use of radio and other conveniences is needed. It can be challenging to know if in Accessories or Utility mode.
• Some third-party applications that use Bluelink can cause excessive waking of the car and drain the battery.
• Some think shipping cars for a long time across oceans resulted in battery draw and damage to the 12 V.
• the traction battery recharges the 12 V if the SOC is greater than 35% and the battery voltage approaches 12.1 V. It would be better if charging occurred at 12.3 V than so low to critical. The car tries 10 times to lift voltage and then stops until reset when the car is driven. One poster notes their car charges when below 35 % SOC.
• the 12 V won’t recharge with the lift gate open
• the front USB powers for longer when the car is off than other ports and accessories plugged into it will use power
• The 12 V sockets do not provide power when the car is off
• Some OBD scanners will draw power while the car is off, the same goes for battery monitors if they draw power while the car is off. We love our tech devices but they use power
• lights left on will draw power
• operating the power lift gate more than 5 times with the car off is a huge power draw
• having the car in Accessories mode is a major power draw
• there are some reports of parasitic power drain by the head unit and charging door
• a portable charge that many use is a NOCO GB40
• The 12 V battery will be damaged if the charge is 12 V or less. This is why the car charges the battery when approaching 12.1 V
• if a battery is drained very low it can be fatally damaged, especially in freezing conditions. A battery load test is recommended to insure continuing drain issues aren’t because of damage

Bottom line when not driving

• there is less power capacity (about 1/3 less) in the 12 V than we expect from a similar ICE
• it’s easier therefore to draw the charge down to damage the battery
• limit the use of Accessories mode
• For caution, keep SOC above 35%
• remove any plugged-in accessories from USB, data port and battery
• limit the need for the car to send Bluelink notifications when off (e.g., unlocked door notifications)
• eliminate third-party application use of Bluelink
• have all doors and lift gate closed
• have all lights off
• limit occasions car wakes up such as walking by with FOB in pocket or using Bluelink
• load test battery if voltage has fallen repeatedly below 12 V or a concern it doesn’t hold a charge
• if all above doesn’t work then bring in for servicing

please suggest additions or changes and the IoniqPedia5 will be updated. Thanks.

 

[croldan72]

Do we know if the rear seat power plug uses battery is something is plugged in and the car is locked? Seems like the red light stays on.

Also, I know it won't help with a parasitic draw, but sounds like a lithium 12v battery could eliminate some of these concerns.

 

[Winnipeg I5]

Do we know if the rear seat power plug uses battery is something is plugged in and the car is locked? Seems like the red light stays on.

Also, I know it won't help with a parasitic draw, but sounds like a lithium 12v battery could eliminate some of these concerns.

I don't have the interior V2L but my understanding is the car needs to be in Utility mode when off for the V2L sockets to be powered. As for a Li 12 V., it can help prevent damage to the battery from being heavily drawn down in charge. If the Li 12 V has a higher capacity than the lead acid then that will help. Regardless of lead acid or Li, below a certain charge level, the car won't start regardless.

 

[Winnipeg I5]

Updated

Thought to summarize the discussions on 12 V battery drainage. Please point out mistakes.

• the 12 V battery is lower capacity than expected in a similar size class ICE because it doesn’t have to crank an engine. This means it is more susceptible to being drained and fatally damaged
• The 12 V is a 60 Ah battery. However, common advice for lead acid batteries is not have them prolonged below 50% of charge capacity so to be very cautious, the effective total power delivery (capacity) is 30 Ah whereas a similar size ICE would have a 45 Ah capacity. That's a third less power capacity than we are used to with an ICE.
• the I5 wakes and uses the 12 V when sending Bluelink notifications, doors open and plugged-in accessories communicate with it (e.g., wireless AirPlay devices trying to communicate with phones). This uses the 12 V.
• Using Accessories mode drains the 12 V battery. Use Utility mode which uses the traction battery if prolonged use of radio and other conveniences is needed. It can be challenging to know if in Accessories or Utility mode.
• Some third-party applications that use Bluelink can cause excessive waking of the car and drain the battery.
• Some think shipping cars for a long time across oceans resulted in battery draw and damage to the 12 V.
• the traction battery recharges the 12 V if the SOC is greater than 35% and the battery voltage approaches 12.1 V. It would be better if charging occurred at 12.3 V than so low to critical. The car tries 10 times to lift voltage and then stops until reset when the car is driven. One poster notes their car charges when below 35 % SOC.
• the 12 V won’t recharge with the lift gate open
• the front USB powers for longer when the car is off than other ports and accessories plugged into it will use power
• The 12 V sockets do not provide power when the car is off
• Some OBD scanners will draw power while the car is off, the same goes for battery monitors if they draw power while the car is off. We love our tech devices but they use power
• lights left on will draw power
• operating the power lift gate more than 5 times with the car off is a huge power draw
• having the car in Accessories mode is a major power draw
• there are some reports of parasitic power drain by the head unit and charging door
• a portable charge that many use is a NOCO GB40
• The 12 V battery will be damaged if the charge is 12 V or less. This is why the car charges the battery when approaching 12.1 V
• if a battery is drained very low it can be fatally damaged, especially in freezing conditions. A battery load test is recommended to insure continuing drain issues aren’t because of damage

Bottom line when not driving

• there is less power capacity (about 1/3 less) in the 12 V than we expect from a similar ICE
• it’s easier therefore to draw the charge down to damage the battery
• limit the use of Accessories mode
• For caution, keep SOC above 35%
• remove any plugged-in accessories from USB, data port and battery
• limit the need for the car to send Bluelink notifications when off (e.g., unlocked door notifications)
• eliminate third-party application use of Bluelink
• have all doors and lift gate closed
• have all lights off
• limit occasions car wakes up such as walking by with FOB in pocket or using Bluelink
• load test battery if voltage has fallen repeatedly below 12 V or a concern it doesn’t hold a charge
• if all above doesn’t work then bring in for servicing

please suggest additions or changes and the IoniqPedia5 will be updated. Thanks.

 

[Audiophobe]

I read a couple of posts about replacing the standard battery with an LFP 12v battery.
It wouldn't solve all problems but would decrease chances of getting stuck. A cheap help.
If this is valid and safe I think it should be noted.

 

[Blucid]

> the traction battery recharges the 12 V if the SOC is greater than 35% and the battery voltage approaches 12.1 V. It would be better if charging occurred at 12.3 V than so low to critical. The car tries 10 times to lift voltage and then stops until reset when the car is driven. One poster notes their car charges when below 35 % SOC.

The 12 V battery will be damaged if the charge is 12 V or less. This is why the car charges the battery when approaching 12.1 V

IMHO This freaks people out for no reason. It is best to be above 12V for longest life, however a 12V battery can recover fine from as little as 11.6V with very minor changes if any. Many batteries can be restored as well.

Also, I think the 50% language should still be reworded. Perhaps add the quote of how you replied that this is based on your internet information, not on any I5 system information. I5 ignition off - cycles the aux battery between 80% to 92% soc up to 10 times, then there are no safeguards or limits before the next drive or charging session. There is no documented I5 program that has any relation to 50% soc. If you want to say in your opinion, always try to keep the aux battery above 50% soc, that is certainly appropriate I5 12V chatter.

Most BM2 curves that I have been reviewing support the recent chart, ignition off, start charge at 80%. The 2022 standard battery is a flooded lead acid battery, so I also think many of the reported conversion charts are not for our 2022 standard OEM 12V aux battery. Here is an example by @Restyler 12V Battery drain Notice that when I5 decides to charge the aux batt, the voltage immediately drops. This lower voltage is simply the momentary heavy load of starting systems including the LDC to charge the aux batt. For example, the decision to charge after 16:21 was made at 12.5V, then when systems came on, there was a momentary spike down to 12.2V or so. The downward spike was cuased by the earlier decision at 12.5V to start the aux battery charging, but the decision was made at 12.5V (probably the aux battery sensor reported about 85% soc).

 

[Jpatter116]

Updated

Thought to summarize the discussions on 12 V battery drainage. Please point out mistakes.

• the 12 V battery is lower capacity than expected in a similar size class ICE because it doesn’t have to crank an engine. This means it is more susceptible to being drained and fatally damaged
• The 12 V is a 60 Ah battery. However, only 50% of the charge is available from a lead acid battery so the effective total power delivery (capacity) is 30 Ah whereas a similar size ICE would have a 45 Ah capacity. That's a third less power capacity than we are used to with an ICE.
• the I5 wakes and uses the 12 V when sending Bluelink notifications, doors open and plugged-in accessories communicate with it (e.g., wireless AirPlay devices trying to communicate with phones). This uses the 12 V.
• Using Accessories mode drains the 12 V battery. Use Utility mode which uses the traction battery if prolonged use of radio and other conveniences is needed. It can be challenging to know if in Accessories or Utility mode.
• Some third-party applications that use Bluelink can cause excessive waking of the car and drain the battery.
• Some think shipping cars for a long time across oceans resulted in battery draw and damage to the 12 V.
• the traction battery recharges the 12 V if the SOC is greater than 35% and the battery voltage approaches 12.1 V. It would be better if charging occurred at 12.3 V than so low to critical. The car tries 10 times to lift voltage and then stops until reset when the car is driven. One poster notes their car charges when below 35 % SOC.
• the 12 V won’t recharge with the lift gate open
• the front USB powers for longer when the car is off than other ports and accessories plugged into it will use power
• The 12 V sockets do not provide power when the car is off
• Some OBD scanners will draw power while the car is off, the same goes for battery monitors if they draw power while the car is off. We love our tech devices but they use power
• lights left on will draw power
• operating the power lift gate more than 5 times with the car off is a huge power draw
• having the car in Accessories mode is a major power draw
• there are some reports of parasitic power drain by the head unit and charging door
• a portable charge that many use is a NOCO GB40
• The 12 V battery will be damaged if the charge is 12 V or less. This is why the car charges the battery when approaching 12.1 V
• if a battery is drained very low it can be fatally damaged, especially in freezing conditions. A battery load test is recommended to insure continuing drain issues aren’t because of damage

Bottom line when not driving

• there is less power capacity (about 1/3 less) in the 12 V than we expect from a similar ICE
• it’s easier therefore to draw the charge down to damage the battery
• limit the use of Accessories mode
• For caution, keep SOC above 35%
• remove any plugged-in accessories from USB, data port and battery
• limit the need for the car to send Bluelink notifications when off (e.g., unlocked door notifications)
• eliminate third-party application use of Bluelink
• have all doors and lift gate closed
• have all lights off
• limit occasions car wakes up such as walking by with FOB in pocket or using Bluelink
• load test battery if voltage has fallen repeatedly below 12 V or a concern it doesn’t hold a charge
• if all above doesn’t work then bring in for servicing

please suggest additions or changes and the IoniqPedia5 will be updated. Thanks.

So this a great thread. I left my Limited in the garage from June to October 22 with an 80% charge. When I got back to it the charge was at 74% I think and no issues. I have not experienced a 12v failure but wonder if replacing the factory installed battery with something more robust is advisable or effective to reduce potential for issues.

 

[Winnipeg I5]

IMHO This freaks people out for no reason. It is best to be above 12V for longest life, however a 12V battery can recover fine from as little as 11.6V with very minor changes if any. Many batteries can be restored as well.

Also, I think the 50% language should still be reworded. Perhaps add the quote of how you replied that this is based on your internet information, not on any I5 system information. I5 ignition off - cycles the aux battery between 80% to 92% soc up to 10 times, then there are no safeguards or limits before the next drive or charging session. There is no documented I5 program that has any relation to 50% soc. If you want to say in your opinion, always try to keep the aux battery above 50% soc, that is certainly appropriate I5 12V chatter.

Most BM2 curves that I have been reviewing support the recent chart, ignition off, start charge at 80%. The 2022 standard battery is a flooded lead acid battery, so I also think many of the reported conversion charts are not for our 2022 standard OEM 12V aux battery. Here is an example by @Restyler 12V Battery drain Notice that when I5 decides to charge the aux batt, the voltage immediately drops. This lower voltage is simply the momentary heavy load of starting systems including the LDC to charge the aux batt. For example, the decision to charge after 16:21 was made at 12.5V, then when systems came on, there was a momentary spike down to 12.2V or so. The downward spike was cuased by the earlier decision at 12.5V to start the aux battery charging, but the decision was made at 12.5V (probably the aux battery sensor reported about 85% soc).
View attachment 47685 View attachment 47686

Updated that common advice is not to have lead acid batteries prolonged below 50% of charge capacity. I agree short times is OK.

 

[Winnipeg I5]

Updated

Thought to summarize the discussions on 12 V battery drainage. Please point out mistakes.

• the 12 V battery is lower capacity than expected in a similar size class ICE because it doesn’t have to crank an engine. This means it is more susceptible to being drained and fatally damaged
• The 12 V is a 60 Ah battery. However, common advice for lead acid batteries is not have them prolonged below 50% of charge capacity so to be very cautious, the effective total power delivery (capacity) is 30 Ah whereas a similar size ICE would have a 45 Ah capacity. That's a third less power capacity than we are used to with an ICE.
• the I5 wakes and uses the 12 V when sending Bluelink notifications, doors open and plugged-in accessories communicate with it (e.g., wireless AirPlay devices trying to communicate with phones). This uses the 12 V.
• Using Accessories mode drains the 12 V battery. Use Utility mode which uses the traction battery if prolonged use of radio and other conveniences is needed. It can be challenging to know if in Accessories or Utility mode.
• Some third-party applications that use Bluelink can cause excessive waking of the car and drain the battery.
• Some think shipping cars for a long time across oceans resulted in battery draw and damage to the 12 V.
• the traction battery recharges the 12 V if the SOC is greater than 35% and the battery voltage approaches 12.1 V. It would be better if charging occurred at 12.3 V than so low to critical. The car tries 10 times to lift voltage and then stops until reset when the car is driven. One poster notes their car charges when below 35 % SOC.
• the 12 V won’t recharge with the lift gate open
• the front USB powers for longer when the car is off than other ports and accessories plugged into it will use power
• The 12 V sockets do not provide power when the car is off
• Some OBD scanners will draw power while the car is off, the same goes for battery monitors if they draw power while the car is off. We love our tech devices but they use power
• lights left on will draw power
• operating the power lift gate more than 5 times with the car off is a huge power draw
• 12 V won’t charge with lift gate or hood open
• having the car in Accessories mode is a major power draw
• there are some reports of parasitic power drain by the head unit and charging door
• a portable charge that many use is a NOCO GB40
• The 12 V battery will be damaged if the charge is 12 V or less. This is why the car charges the battery when approaching 12.1 V
• if a battery is drained very low it can be fatally damaged, especially in freezing conditions. A battery load test is recommended to insure continuing drain issues aren’t because of damage

Bottom line when not driving

• there is less power capacity (about 1/3 less) in the 12 V than we expect from a similar ICE
• it’s easier therefore to draw the charge down to damage the battery
• limit the use of Accessories mode
• For caution, keep SOC above 35%
• remove any plugged-in accessories from USB, data port and battery
• limit the need for the car to send Bluelink notifications when off (e.g., unlocked door notifications)
• eliminate third-party application use of Bluelink
• have all doors, hood and lift gate closed
• have all lights off
• limit occasions car wakes up such as walking by with FOB in pocket or using Bluelink
• load test battery if voltage has fallen repeatedly below 12 V or a concern it doesn’t hold a charge
• if all above doesn’t work then bring in for servicing

please suggest additions or changes and the IoniqPedia5 will be updated. Thanks.

 

[GrantL]

Regarding the leaving tailgate open, I read the user manual says leaving the front hood and/or tailgate open will prevent 12V from charging. Leaving doors open will not affect 12V charging.

 

[Winnipeg I5]

Updated

Thought to summarize the discussions on 12 V battery drainage. Please point out mistakes.

• the 12 V battery is lower capacity than expected in a similar size class ICE because it doesn’t have to crank an engine. This means it is more susceptible to being drained and fatally damaged
• The 12 V is a 60 Ah battery. However, common advice for lead acid batteries is not have them prolonged below 50% of charge capacity so to be very cautious, the effective total power delivery (capacity) is 30 Ah whereas a similar size ICE would have a 45 Ah capacity. That's a third less power capacity than we are used to with an ICE.
• the I5 wakes and uses the 12 V when sending Bluelink notifications, doors open and plugged-in accessories communicate with it (e.g., wireless AirPlay devices trying to communicate with phones). This uses the 12 V.
• Using Accessories mode drains the 12 V battery. Use Utility mode which uses the traction battery if prolonged use of radio and other conveniences is needed. It can be challenging to know if in Accessories or Utility mode.
• Some third-party applications that use Bluelink can cause excessive waking of the car and drain the battery.
• Some think shipping cars for a long time across oceans resulted in battery draw and damage to the 12 V.
• the traction battery recharges the 12 V if the SOC is greater than 35% and the battery voltage approaches 12.1 V. It would be better if charging occurred at 12.3 V than so low to critical. The car tries 10 times to lift voltage and then stops until reset when the car is driven. One poster notes their car charges when below 35 % SOC.
• the 12 V won’t recharge with the lift gate open
• the front USB powers for longer when the car is off than other ports and accessories plugged into it will use power
• The 12 V sockets do not provide power when the car is off
• Some OBD scanners will draw power while the car is off, the same goes for battery monitors if they draw power while the car is off. We love our tech devices but they use power
• lights left on will draw power
• operating the power lift gate more than 5 times with the car off is a huge power draw
• 12 V won’t charge with lift gate or hood open
• having the car in Accessories mode is a major power draw
• there are some reports of parasitic power drain by the head unit and charging door
• a portable charge that many use is a NOCO GB40
• The 12 V battery will be damaged if the charge is 12 V or less. This is why the car charges the battery when approaching 12.1 V
• if a battery is drained very low it can be fatally damaged, especially in freezing conditions. A battery load test is recommended to insure continuing drain issues aren’t because of damage

Bottom line when not driving

• there is less power capacity (about 1/3 less) in the 12 V than we expect from a similar ICE
• it’s easier therefore to draw the charge down to damage the battery
• limit the use of Accessories mode
• For caution, keep SOC above 35%
• remove any plugged-in accessories from USB, data port and battery
• limit the need for the car to send Bluelink notifications when off (e.g., unlocked door notifications)
• eliminate third-party application use of Bluelink
• have all doors, hood and lift gate closed
• have all lights off
• limit occasions car wakes up such as walking by with FOB in pocket or using Bluelink
• load test battery if voltage has fallen repeatedly below 12 V or a concern it doesn’t hold a charge
• if all above doesn’t work then bring in for servicing

please suggest additions or changes and the IoniqPedia5 will be updated. Thanks.

 

[Winnipeg I5]

IMHO This freaks people out for no reason. It is best to be above 12V for longest life, however a 12V battery can recover fine from as little as 11.6V with very minor changes if any. Many batteries can be restored as well.

Also, I think the 50% language should still be reworded. Perhaps add the quote of how you replied that this is based on your internet information, not on any I5 system information. I5 ignition off - cycles the aux battery between 80% to 92% soc up to 10 times, then there are no safeguards or limits before the next drive or charging session. There is no documented I5 program that has any relation to 50% soc. If you want to say in your opinion, always try to keep the aux battery above 50% soc, that is certainly appropriate I5 12V chatter.

Most BM2 curves that I have been reviewing support the recent chart, ignition off, start charge at 80%. The 2022 standard battery is a flooded lead acid battery, so I also think many of the reported conversion charts are not for our 2022 standard OEM 12V aux battery. Here is an example by @Restyler 12V Battery drain Notice that when I5 decides to charge the aux batt, the voltage immediately drops. This lower voltage is simply the momentary heavy load of starting systems including the LDC to charge the aux batt. For example, the decision to charge after 16:21 was made at 12.5V, then when systems came on, there was a momentary spike down to 12.2V or so. The downward spike was cuased by the earlier decision at 12.5V to start the aux battery charging, but the decision was made at 12.5V (probably the aux battery sensor reported about 85% soc).
View attachment 47685

Other charts show charging kicking in at a lower voltage threshold. Is it on a time frequency rather than voltage threshold for charging to kick in? I based the 12.1 V threshold on a different poster’s chart.

 

[Kennneee]

Other charts show charging kicking in at a lower voltage threshold. Is it on a time frequency rather than voltage threshold for charging to kick in? I based the 12.1 V threshold on a different poster’s chart.
[/QUOTE

Updated

Thought to summarize the discussions on 12 V battery drainage. Please point out mistakes.

• the 12 V battery is lower capacity than expected in a similar size class ICE because it doesn’t have to crank an engine. This means it is more susceptible to being drained and fatally damaged
• The 12 V is a 60 Ah battery. However, common advice for lead acid batteries is not have them prolonged below 50% of charge capacity so to be very cautious, the effective total power delivery (capacity) is 30 Ah whereas a similar size ICE would have a 45 Ah capacity. That's a third less power capacity than we are used to with an ICE.
• the I5 wakes and uses the 12 V when sending Bluelink notifications, doors open and plugged-in accessories communicate with it (e.g., wireless AirPlay devices trying to communicate with phones). This uses the 12 V.
• Using Accessories mode drains the 12 V battery. Use Utility mode which uses the traction battery if prolonged use of radio and other conveniences is needed. It can be challenging to know if in Accessories or Utility mode.
• Some third-party applications that use Bluelink can cause excessive waking of the car and drain the battery.
• Some think shipping cars for a long time across oceans resulted in battery draw and damage to the 12 V.
• the traction battery recharges the 12 V if the SOC is greater than 35% and the battery voltage approaches 12.1 V. It would be better if charging occurred at 12.3 V than so low to critical. The car tries 10 times to lift voltage and then stops until reset when the car is driven. One poster notes their car charges when below 35 % SOC.
• the 12 V won’t recharge with the lift gate open
• the front USB powers for longer when the car is off than other ports and accessories plugged into it will use power
• The 12 V sockets do not provide power when the car is off
• Some OBD scanners will draw power while the car is off, the same goes for battery monitors if they draw power while the car is off. We love our tech devices but they use power
• lights left on will draw power
• operating the power lift gate more than 5 times with the car off is a huge power draw
• 12 V won’t charge with lift gate or hood open
• having the car in Accessories mode is a major power draw
• there are some reports of parasitic power drain by the head unit and charging door
• a portable charge that many use is a NOCO GB40
• The 12 V battery will be damaged if the charge is 12 V or less. This is why the car charges the battery when approaching 12.1 V
• if a battery is drained very low it can be fatally damaged, especially in freezing conditions. A battery load test is recommended to insure continuing drain issues aren’t because of damage

Bottom line when not driving

• there is less power capacity (about 1/3 less) in the 12 V than we expect from a similar ICE
• it’s easier therefore to draw the charge down to damage the battery
• limit the use of Accessories mode
• For caution, keep SOC above 35%
• remove any plugged-in accessories from USB, data port and battery
• limit the need for the car to send Bluelink notifications when off (e.g., unlocked door notifications)
• eliminate third-party application use of Bluelink
• have all doors, hood and lift gate closed
• have all lights off
• limit occasions car wakes up such as walking by with FOB in pocket or using Bluelink
• load test battery if voltage has fallen repeatedly below 12 V or a concern it doesn’t hold a charge
• if all above doesn’t work then bring in for servicing

please suggest additions or changes and the IoniqPedia5 will be updated. Thanks.

I am new to this forum. I will be receiving my new 2023 I5 SEL in a few days. I will have to leave it for several months in a garage in a warm climate. I am wondering if I need to keep a battery tender on the 12V battery. I have done this for years on my Nissan Leaf when I had to leave it for prolonged periods of time. Is this a wise plan or will the HV battery take care of this.

 

[Winnipeg I5]

Kenneee, if you follow the guidance in the summary you should be fine without a tender.

 

[Kennneee]

Kenneee, if you follow the guidance in the summary you should be fine without a tender.

Thanks for the reply. One of the positive points the salesman made when I was shopping for this car was being able to monitor it remotely via Bluelink. From what I am gathering on the forum is that using Bluetooth will cause the 12v battery to discharge. If the HV battery will only try to charge the 12v 10 times and then quit, it sounds like monitoring the car from a distance over several months may not be a wise option option. That brings me back to using a battery tender as a possible way to mitigate this problem. I also see other I5 owners talking about substituting their 12V lead acid for a lithium battery. I use a lithium battery on a boat and love the extra capacity packed into the same physical space and the added usable capacity. One possible caveat is a lithium battery has a different resting voltage than a lead acid. Will the I5 charge the lithium replacement properly? Worth looking into perhaps.