Anybody who knows:
1. Total weight.
2. Use of energy. KWh/100 km.
3. Battery chemistry?
1. Total weight.
2. Use of energy. KWh/100 km.
3. Battery chemistry?
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There is one thing I do not understand.
The current version of the Ioniq EV can charge with power up to 70 kW if you use fast chargers with maximal power of 100 kW or more. For the upgraded battery it is indicated 80% in 54 minutes. As 80% of a 38.3 kWh battery is 30.6 kWh, this indication relates to a maximal average charging power of 34 kW. So, that is less than half of the maximal charging speed of the current version, whereas you would expect that a 36% bigger battery would allow 36% higher charging power as well. Is this correct?
If this is true, long distance traveling will not become faster using the upgraded version.
The current version of the Ioniq EV can charge with power up to 70 kW if you use fast chargers with maximal power of 100 kW or more. For the upgraded battery it is indicated 80% in 54 minutes. As 80% of a 38.3 kWh battery is 30.6 kWh, this indication relates to a maximal average charging power of 34 kW. So, that is less than half of the maximal charging speed of the current version, whereas you would expect that a 36% bigger battery would allow 36% higher charging power as well. Is this correct?
If this is true, long distance traveling will not become faster using the upgraded version.
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Considered numerically this difference in voltage is 12%, so that would (for equal current) decrease the allowed charging power by 12% too, so from 70 kW to 62 kW. There is still a gap from 62 to 34 kW to be explained.
Besides, the current can now be distributed over 36% more cells you can say, so assuming the same current per cell, the maximally allowed total current may also be 36% higher. So, not 62 kW but 62 *1.36 = 84 kW. This number has a huge gap with 34 kW. The mystery remains.
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Yes, I was also thinking in that direction. Maybe the new battery is more densely packed so that more heat per cm3 is developed?
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I cannot follow these calculations. Should I understand that the battery of the new 38 kWh version has fewer cells (88x2) than the battery of the 28 kWh version (96x2)? How many series are there?
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The charging power levels for the different battery percentages SOC are assumed to be the same as for the Kona EV with the same battery; see below. I made some rough calculations for practical use in long distance trips (fast charging from 20% to 80%) and came out at an about 5% longer traveling time compared to the current version.
There are indications that it will have liquid cooling of the battery. Anyone can confirm this?
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There are indications that it will have liquid cooling of the battery. Anyone can confirm this?
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In the meantime, I found out that in Europe, at least in Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, and the UK, the upgraded version will be available from September on. I am seriously considering to go for an upgrade, assuming they will offer me the right value for my current car.
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I ordered one yesterday in the Netherlands. My driving pattern usually does not need fast charging.
However, I did some calculations on how much delay (compared to the old type) there is for longer trips when fast charging is needed. I might do such a trip once in the summer. For trips up to about 500 km, there is no delay, as you start with 38 kWh instead of 28 kWh and then you only need charging once, while the old type needs it twice. Charging the old type twice takes almost the same time as charging the new type once.
The difference occurs for the km's after the first 500 km. Then there is no advantage anymore of the higher full charge at the beginning. The delay for these extra km's after 500 km can be estimated as about 10% of the duration. For example, for a trip of 1000 km, this makes the trip duration about 5% longer. And for a trip of 1500 km about 6-7% longer, for 2000 km 7-8% longer, et cetera. (but probably for a one day trip, 1500 km is already rather long). So, in practice, when fast charging is needed you may experience an average delay of around 5%, you could say.
A difference is that with the new type you have less frequent interruptions of your trip, but each interruption takes about 40 minutes, whereas for the old type the interruptions are more often but take about 20 minutes. If you are not in a hurry, the new type may feel more relaxed.
However, I did some calculations on how much delay (compared to the old type) there is for longer trips when fast charging is needed. I might do such a trip once in the summer. For trips up to about 500 km, there is no delay, as you start with 38 kWh instead of 28 kWh and then you only need charging once, while the old type needs it twice. Charging the old type twice takes almost the same time as charging the new type once.
The difference occurs for the km's after the first 500 km. Then there is no advantage anymore of the higher full charge at the beginning. The delay for these extra km's after 500 km can be estimated as about 10% of the duration. For example, for a trip of 1000 km, this makes the trip duration about 5% longer. And for a trip of 1500 km about 6-7% longer, for 2000 km 7-8% longer, et cetera. (but probably for a one day trip, 1500 km is already rather long). So, in practice, when fast charging is needed you may experience an average delay of around 5%, you could say.
A difference is that with the new type you have less frequent interruptions of your trip, but each interruption takes about 40 minutes, whereas for the old type the interruptions are more often but take about 20 minutes. If you are not in a hurry, the new type may feel more relaxed.
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In Canada, a Kona EV caught fire and caused a severe explosion:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mont.../montreal/electric-car-catches-fire-and-explodes-in-île-bizard-garage-1.5227665
The Kona EV has the same battery as the Ioniq 38 kWh battery.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mont.../montreal/electric-car-catches-fire-and-explodes-in-île-bizard-garage-1.5227665
The Kona EV has the same battery as the Ioniq 38 kWh battery.
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No, this time I took Iron Grey. The blue colour is the same colour as the Toyota Corolla G6 I drove for 13 years until 2013. My son, who is now driving the car often since he reached 18 years at the end of last year, suggested this grey colour.
I don't think you were in the right place to offer your car. How many km's did you make? My car had 35.000 km, and both the ANWB site and wijkopenautos.nl indicated around € 22.500 as value when selling it to a dealership. Did you already check this for your car? In the deal offered by my dealer, the return value was even estimated by them at more than € 1000 higher, so then the value lost in almost 3 years was less than € 9000, which was acceptable for me.
Until now I only heard that just adding the new battery in your old car is not possible. But if you look further for better offers you may also like it more to go for the new car.
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I think from a financial perspective it would also not be very attractive to only replace the battery in your old car. This easily could cost € 7000, if not more. But what you get then is still an old car from 2016 or 2017 which, for example, in 4 years time will not have much value anymore. In contrast, a 2020 car will have much more value in 4 years time.
I don't think you were in the right place to offer your car. How many km's did you make? My car had 35.000 km, and both the ANWB site and wijkopenautos.nl indicated around € 22.500 as value when selling it to a dealership. Did you already check this for your car? In the deal offered by my dealer, the return value was even estimated by them at more than € 1000 higher, so then the value lost in almost 3 years was less than € 9000, which was acceptable for me.
Until now I only heard that just adding the new battery in your old car is not possible. But if you look further for better offers you may also like it more to go for the new car.
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I think from a financial perspective it would also not be very attractive to only replace the battery in your old car. This easily could cost € 7000, if not more. But what you get then is still an old car from 2016 or 2017 which, for example, in 4 years time will not have much value anymore. In contrast, a 2020 car will have much more value in 4 years time.
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The charging power levels for the different battery percentages SOC are assumed to be the same as for the Kona EV with the same battery; see below. I made some rough calculations for practical use in long distance trips (fast charging from 20% to 80%) and came out at an about 5% longer traveling time compared to the current version.
There are indications that it will have liquid cooling of the battery. Anyone can confirm this?
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Bjorn Nyland has shown a charging process of the Ioniq 38kWh at a 350 kW fast charger from Fastned, near Amsterdam; see here. I took the numbers and made a graph comparable to the above graph which is believed to be based on a Kona. The following graph was the result:
Then I made an overlay of the previous graph to compare them in more detail:
So, they are not exactly the same but still quite comparable.
What can be seen is that up to 68%, the power levels are around 42 kW (up to 50%) and around 36 kW (from 50 to 68%). In total, in 39 minutes you get 68% starting from 0, and this is 26 kWh (what is 93% charge for the 28 kWh Ioniq). If you do not start at 0, but, for example, at 15%, then it will be faster: 31 minutes, which sounds a bit more bearable than the 54 minutes of the official documents. In these 31 minutes, the 26 kWh you get is 16% more charge than an 80% charge for the Ioniq 28 kWh (which is 22.4 kWh). When subtracting the 15% charge at the start of the charging, this 16% extra becomes 20% extra, so you can drive 20% further, so after 5 times you can skip one charging session compared to the 28 kWh Ioniq. Plus you can start from home with 36% extra charge.
If you want to go above the 68%, to 80%, for example, the charging is really slowing down. You will spend many minutes of these 54 minutes for that phase. You may want to stay away from that phase (unless you are just enjoying your meal).
So, it may be smart to think about a good strategy of charging.
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Some first experiences with the 2020 Ioniq EV in the Netherlands, not yet from me but from someone I know from the German forum who lives in the Netherlands and who through me came to my dealer in Alkmaar and had ordered a Premium there (later than myself ...), delivered last week Wednesday:
Fr 13 Sep 2019, 18:18
First impressions: compared to the old model, much less rolling noise in the interior
Generally much quieter.
Steering a bit easier and more direct. In general, the vehicle feels better.
He does everything the same as the old one, but everything is a bit better.
Collected with a full battery. Driven 200 km, the first half highway between 100 and 120 km/h and the second half highway with 80 to 100 km/h. Outside temperature 20 to 22° C. Inside at 22°.
Display remaining range 146 km. Consumption 11kWh/100km.
I currently charge with 20 amps, the duration indicated by Bluelink is 5 hours.
What I don't understand, what should I do with the huge cable roll in the trunk. The charging cable fits perfectly in the lower part of the trunk.
That's it for now
https://www.goingelectric.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=116&t=35721&start=1480
Mon 16 Sep 2019, 15:47
It is indeed the case that the right-hand lane is fully lit and always on.
If all criteria for the automatic system are met, the left light cone is switched on.
This is much more pleasant compared to its predecessor. There are no more brightness differences.
Just charged to100% and the range with climate displayed via Bluelink is 306 km.
A gimmick is when a predecessor stands still and starts driving again, there is a warning sound and a sign in the display.
https://www.goingelectric.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=116&t=35721&start=1500
Mon 16 Sep 2019, 17:31
If the automatic cruise control is activated, it will now start driving automatically.
Fr 13 Sep 2019, 18:18
First impressions: compared to the old model, much less rolling noise in the interior
Generally much quieter.
Steering a bit easier and more direct. In general, the vehicle feels better.
He does everything the same as the old one, but everything is a bit better.
Collected with a full battery. Driven 200 km, the first half highway between 100 and 120 km/h and the second half highway with 80 to 100 km/h. Outside temperature 20 to 22° C. Inside at 22°.
Display remaining range 146 km. Consumption 11kWh/100km.
I currently charge with 20 amps, the duration indicated by Bluelink is 5 hours.
What I don't understand, what should I do with the huge cable roll in the trunk. The charging cable fits perfectly in the lower part of the trunk.
That's it for now
https://www.goingelectric.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=116&t=35721&start=1480
Mon 16 Sep 2019, 15:47
It is indeed the case that the right-hand lane is fully lit and always on.
If all criteria for the automatic system are met, the left light cone is switched on.
This is much more pleasant compared to its predecessor. There are no more brightness differences.
Just charged to100% and the range with climate displayed via Bluelink is 306 km.
A gimmick is when a predecessor stands still and starts driving again, there is a warning sound and a sign in the display.
https://www.goingelectric.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=116&t=35721&start=1500
Mon 16 Sep 2019, 17:31
If the automatic cruise control is activated, it will now start driving automatically.
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No, it is AC charging at home, 230 Volt, so 4.6 kW, I think from about 42% to 100%.
I don't think in these few days the displayed range is already reflecting his driving style. In reality, as he reported, he got more than the displayed distance. The reported 11 kWh/100km makes 348 km. We may ask him after some longer time. He himself wrote to me in an email that the car is worth every penny of its price.
I don't think in these few days the displayed range is already reflecting his driving style. In reality, as he reported, he got more than the displayed distance. The reported 11 kWh/100km makes 348 km. We may ask him after some longer time. He himself wrote to me in an email that the car is worth every penny of its price.
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