[TimD]

Thanks for the reply; even finding a demo car to drive in my area has turned out to be a challenge. Regarding the tax credit, from the numbers I have seen regarding the Hyundai Kona they are well into the 100,000s.

I'm curious where you're getting your numbers. I've been going here for numbers, although I can't vouch for its accuracy:

Federal EV Tax Credit Phase Out Tracker By Automaker | EVAdoption

evadoption.com

 

[EVready]

I'm curious where you're getting your numbers. I've been going here for numbers, although I can't vouch for its accuracy:

Federal EV Tax Credit Phase Out Tracker By Automaker | EVAdoption

evadoption.com

Yeah, I saw that one as well, and it completely ignores the Kona, an EV.

 

[SabbeRubbish]

First off, thanks to all for the insights and perspectives. I suppose the good news is that my purchasing time line is most probably in the fall of this year, so there is time to investigate EVs that have yet to arrive, e.g., Ariya, RZ450e and GV60. The bad is there will be more choices...lol.

From an advantage/disadvantage perspective, I personally would favor a nice comfortable, quiet ride more than how functional the infotainment system is. Another is I much prefer a retractable shade over the sun roof (if there is one).

Again, thanks very much for you thoughts.

If you haven't ordered already, good luck finding any car this year still, made to your likings. The automotive market is still having huge chip shortages and material shortage due to the war in Ukraine, so even an I5 may be hard to find by then. I wouldn't wait. Also, those new models will have issues and those of the 2023 I5 will be in the 2nd model year so it is bound to be a more consistent package.
And the I5 is VERY comfortable, not less than the XC40.

 

[mcbill]

I am having a tough time deciding which vehicle fits my needs the best, even going to the extent of starting to create a decision matrix. Summarizing, and not in any particular order:

• Advantages of I5: Range: +25 mi, more efficient, vented seats, more room in cabin, more feature control-ability, less expensive, heads up display.
• Advantages of XC40 Recharge: Dealer very close by, resale value(?), more luxurious, Google infotainment, order on line (no haggle or ADM), more likely to get tax credit (timing of purchase), rear wiper

• Disadvantages of I5: Dealer without ADM very far, body styling (will I get tired of it?), resale value (?), no rear wiper, maybe no tax credit.
• Disadvantages of XC40 Recharge: More expensive, less range (~25mi), less interior room, no vented seats, fewer feature controls, less efficient.

A couple of other factors for me individually: I really don't care about 0-60 performance, having an available sunshade for the sun roof is important, ride comfort is more important to me that how it handles in aggressive driving, given my anticipated driving profile, it is doubtful that I will need to charge anywhere but home.

At any rate, I hope asking this type of question on the forum is allowed. Thank you for any insights, questions or observations. : )

I initially put a deposit down for an XC40 Recharge in Canada. When finally available and I took a test drive, I couldn't help thinking "that's it?" as I drove the top of the line model. I couldn't see paying over $70,000 so I got my money back and left rather discouraged as was hoping for more "wow" than I saw.
Fast forward a few months to when I took my 2010 Hyundai Santa Fe into the dealer for service. And there, charging, was an Ioniq 5, which on-line looked smallish and weird. But in person: WOW. I managed to get a test drive that day and from that moment was HOOKED. So much roomier. Adjustable console. Great features. Drove like a charm.
Put in my deposit next day (01 Feb 2022). Am patiently waiting for my MY2023 (and my Santa Fe keeps plugging along as has done for 11 years no major problems at 230,000 kms)...

 

[zamafir]

If you haven't ordered already, good luck finding any car this year still, made to your likings. The automotive market is still having huge chip shortages and material shortage due to the war in Ukraine, so even an I5 may be hard to find by then. I wouldn't wait. Also, those new models will have issues and those of the 2023 I5 will be in the 2nd model year so it is bound to be a more consistent package.
And the I5 is VERY comfortable, not less than the XC40.

Yup, this. Automakers that were hoping to see constraints addressed in 2023 are already punting to 2024. I'd guess the car market never returns to the old normal with many automakers indicating they prefer reduced inventory and custom ordering of anything 'special'. Markups just keep going up (0.3% of all cars two years ago, 2.8% of all cars last year, 82% as of Jan and just going up this year) and I'd be surprised to see European markets immune - likely we'll see Tesla style slow ramping up of MSRP over a year (but not the the Tesla gouging 25%+ levels).

 

[TimD]

Yeah, I saw that one as well, and it completely ignores the Kona, an EV.

Car and Driver reports that Hyundai sold 8,936 Kona EVs in the U.S. in 2021. I don't see how they could have sold 100,000+ in the U.S. since the model was first introduced.

12 Bestselling Electric Vehicles of 2021

One Tesla on this list outsold popular models like the Honda Pilot, Mazda CX-5, and Chevrolet Equinox.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[Diablo]

I initially put a deposit down for an XC40 Recharge in Canada. When finally available and I took a test drive, I couldn't help thinking "that's it?" as I drove the top of the line model. I couldn't see paying over $70,000 so I got my money back and left rather discouraged as was hoping for more "wow" than I saw.
Fast forward a few months to when I took my 2010 Hyundai Santa Fe into the dealer for service. And there, charging, was an Ioniq 5, which on-line looked smallish and weird. But in person: WOW. I managed to get a test drive that day and from that moment was HOOKED. So much roomier. Adjustable console. Great features. Drove like a charm.
Put in my deposit next day (01 Feb 2022). Am patiently waiting for my MY2023 (and my Santa Fe keeps plugging along as has done for 11 years no major problems at 230,000 kms)...

That's exactly how I felt, it felt like a last generation Ford Escape for over $70k and no EV incentives.

 

[EVready]

Car and Driver reports that Hyundai sold 8,936 Kona EVs in the U.S. in 2021. I don't see how they could have sold 100,000+ in the U.S. since the model was first introduced.

12 Bestselling Electric Vehicles of 2021

One Tesla on this list outsold popular models like the Honda Pilot, Mazda CX-5, and Chevrolet Equinox.

www.caranddriver.com

Thanks for the post; I believe the measurement covers more than 2021 - not sure when it began though.

 

[zamafir]

Thanks for the post; I believe the measurement covers more than 2021 - not sure when it began though.

They're not remotely close.

Nissan has been selling EVs for almost a decade before Hyundai/Kia started. Toyota's likewise been selling PHEV for almost a decade before Hyunda/Kia.

 

[EVready]

They're not remotely close.

Nissan has been selling EVs for almost a decade before Hyundai/Kia started. Toyota's likewise been selling PHEV for almost a decade before Hyunda/Kia.

Actually, that was not my point. My comment was based on when the tax credit will run out; clearly its getting close for Toyota, done for GM and Tesla. I was thinking that given that the Kona has been selling for a while (like the Nissan Leaf), Hyundai might be closing in on the 200000 car limit.

 

[The Ioniq Man]

Has anyone compared the 2 warranty plans? I'm thinking the Hyundai has about a 10yr 100k mile power train warranty and the big battery about 8yr 100k miles... double check this, because I didn't. What is the Volvo warranty like? I have a 28kwh Ioniq and it's been 'ROCK SOLID' for 45k miles.... all I've had to do is rotate the tires, and top off the coolant a couple of times. I did take it to the dealer to have the reduction gear fluid checked... but I wonder if they really did it.

 

[Photobird7]

First off, thanks to all for the insights and perspectives. I suppose the good news is that my purchasing time line is most probably in the fall of this year, so there is time to investigate EVs that have yet to arrive, e.g., Ariya, RZ450e and GV60. The bad is there will be more choices...lol.

From an advantage/disadvantage perspective, I personally would favor a nice comfortable, quiet ride more than how functional the infotainment system is. Another is I much prefer a retractable shade over the sun roof (if there is one).

Again, thanks very much for you thoughts.

If you can get an I5 Limited, it does have a retractable shade over the sunroof-- in fact, you can control the opening amount. I didn't realize this at first, but then I was playing with mine and realized that I could stop it part-way closed! I've actually used this feature when I wanted the extra light in the car, but the angle of sun was hitting my head-- I closed the shade just enough so my head wasn't getting hit by sun!

 

[TimD]

Actually, that was not my point. My comment was based on when the tax credit will run out; clearly its getting close for Toyota, done for GM and Tesla. I was thinking that given that the Kona has been selling for a while (like the Nissan Leaf), Hyundai might be closing in on the 200000 car limit.

They only count EVs and PHEVs. Hyundai and Kia (and VW) have only sold a handful in the U.S. in comparison with Toyota, GM, and Tesla.

 

[zamafir]

They only count EVs and PHEVs. Hyundai and Kia (and VW) have only sold a handful in the U.S. in comparison with Toyota, GM, and Tesla.

This.

Actually, that was not my point. My comment was based on when the tax credit will run out; clearly its getting close for Toyota, done for GM and Tesla. I was thinking that given that the Kona has been selling for a while (like the Nissan Leaf), Hyundai might be closing in on the 200000 car limit.

If you look at hyundai kia plugin vehicles which qualify for the federal credit they didn’t even break 10,000 units a year until 2019. (Source alternative fuels data center):

In 2021 the IONIQ EV, Kona EV, Niro EVs moved 19,435 units (Source Car and Driver, insideEVs).

I'd be beyond shocked if Kia Hyundai were at 75,000 TOTAL EV and PHEV unit sales in North America as they were barely hitting 30,000 units in total by 2019 and we've not heard them bragging about massive North America sales. World wide sales sure. Not in NA.

 

[Mr. G]

I am having a tough time deciding which vehicle fits my needs the best, even going to the extent of starting to create a decision matrix. Summarizing, and not in any particular order:

• Advantages of I5: Range: +25 mi, more efficient, vented seats, more room in cabin, more feature control-ability, less expensive, heads up display.
• Advantages of XC40 Recharge: Dealer very close by, resale value(?), more luxurious, Google infotainment, order on line (no haggle or ADM), more likely to get tax credit (timing of purchase), rear wiper

• Disadvantages of I5: Dealer without ADM very far, body styling (will I get tired of it?), resale value (?), no rear wiper, maybe no tax credit.
• Disadvantages of XC40 Recharge: More expensive, less range (~25mi), less interior room, no vented seats, fewer feature controls, less efficient.

A couple of other factors for me individually: I really don't care about 0-60 performance, having an available sunshade for the sun roof is important, ride comfort is more important to me that how it handles in aggressive driving, given my anticipated driving profile, it is doubtful that I will need to charge anywhere but home.

At any rate, I hope asking this type of question on the forum is allowed. Thank you for any insights, questions or observations. : )

I did a test drive in the Volvo. Man, the ride quality was underwhelming. If ride quality is important, not even close IMHO.

 

[CiscoKIdd]

Ioniq 5 personally crushes it with style, you may not even be able to buy an Ioniq 5, In canada they have started retuirning deposits to some, they have over sold and from my understanding they are making 75K of the Ioniq 5 and 75K EV6 in total. In my opinion range is key and as far as style there is no comparison but that's my opinion. Why pay more for less, if you are serious, you may want to get a deposit down asap because no one knows how long it may take to get one

 

[Boon_in_Oz]

I've spent some time driving both these cars and for me, the XC40 ride quality is far preferable. I like cars, not trucks, and the tighter suspension on the XC40 suited me a lot better. The Ioniq5 suspension is too soft in corners and still manages to be more uncomfortable over speed bumps.

Other pros for the XC40 for me: I find the seats more comfortable, the infotainment much easier to use, and the ride quieter. Those are all very subjective though. Also the XC40 has an opening sunroof, roof racks, and you can drop the rear seats from the trunk. The Ioniq might have multiple regen settings but none of them are strong enough and one-pedal driving turns off every time you re-engage Drive.

Something people rarely mention about the Ioniq is that is has the best 360/reversing camera display I've seen on a car. The Volvo's is not as bright or as big.

Honestly they are both amazing cars. I prefer to drive the XC40 but given its range issues it would only take a good firmware update to tip the balance to the Ioniq.

Plus the Ioniq looks sooooo good. Someone followed me home the other day just to ask what it was.

 

[CiscoKIdd]

I've spent some time driving both these cars and for me, the XC40 ride quality is far preferable. I like cars, not trucks, and the tighter suspension on the XC40 suited me a lot better. The Ioniq5 suspension is too soft in corners and still manages to be more uncomfortable over speed bumps.

Other pros for the XC40 for me: I find the seats more comfortable, the infotainment much easier to use, and the ride quieter. Those are all very subjective though. Also the XC40 has an opening sunroof, roof racks, and you can drop the rear seats from the trunk. The Ioniq might have multiple regen settings but none of them are strong enough and one-pedal driving turns off every time you re-engage Drive.

Something people rarely mention about the Ioniq is that is has the best 360/reversing camera display I've seen on a car. The Volvo's is not as bright or as big.

Honestly they are both amazing cars. I prefer to drive the XC40 but given its range issues it would only take a good firmware update to tip the balance to the Ioniq.

Plus the Ioniq looks sooooo good. Someone followed me home the other day just to ask what it was.

Have you modifed your regen settings to max if you feel not strong enough, I solely now drive in auto eco mode and use left paddle shifter for all braking , rare I use friction, I have learned to time it quite well now

 

[JubMasterFlex]

Test drove both. Personally whilst I enjoyed the ride height, fit and finish, and particularly the centralized use of Google for tech, I found the sheer weight of the XC40 to be a bit off putting. Not to mention the sheer difference in target mileage and the fact it costs a great deal more.

 

[Boon_in_Oz]

Have you modifed your regen settings to max if you feel not strong enough, I solely now drive in auto eco mode and use left paddle shifter for all braking , rare I use friction, I have learned to time it quite well now

I haven't tried eco mode, so maybe that's significant. Every time I put it in drive I click the left paddle into i-Pedal, which is OK but still pretty sloppy (brakes very gently, rolls backward slightly if you stop on an uphill). It seems ridiculous that it can't remember that setting, and that I still have to use the brake in reverse. I'm really hopeful that once more people get into electric cars, Hyundai will realize that proper one-pedal driving should be the default setting, or at least let us set it once and remember it.