[grannynighthawk]

We are considering trading up to an Ioniq 5 from our Bolt, but are leery of decrease in efficiency compared to our Bolt, currently at 5.2 miles/kWh since resetting the trip odometer over 3000 miles ago. This is a mostly rural driving at 45 mph. A few 2-300 mile trips which included highway driving. Some, but mostly no AC. Driving the speed limit on all roads. Tires at 4 psi over recommended. I would like to know what other similarly conservative drivers are getting with their Ioniq 5s. If you have a number to offer, please include whether R or AWD and wheel size. I do realize this is a trade up in size, power and convenience and that should be worth something, but still not quite ready to make the jump.

Range on the 2025 AWD Ionia 5 is way better than the the 2024 that barely got 300. Our 2024 was just a year old when I got rear ended and totaled. So we bought a 2025 RWD and I was amazed to see that on a full charge the average range showing was over 400 which is more than they advertise! You actually get a max/avg/min range showing on the screen now. So the max estimate is like 425. Of course, flipping the AC on the range reduces to compensate.
I don’t know how to find the miles/kwh but a recent 6 mile trip used 1 kWh, with part of the time on AC.
A 1 mile trip used 356 Wh (60 of which from accessories) and regenerated 345 Wh.

 

[TheHellYouSay]

My 2023 Ioniq 5 says 3.2 miles over lifetime (24K miles). Lately, good temps and in town driving, 4+ mi/kWh is the norm, but I cannot get the lifetime one to budge. Admittedly, I drive a LOT of freeway miles in chunks of 300 miles where I am driving at 75 MPH or in excess of that...

 

[JerryP]

Range on the 2025 AWD Ionia 5 is way better than the the 2024 that barely got 300. Our 2024 was just a year old when I got rear ended and totaled. So we bought a 2025 RWD and I was amazed to see that on a full charge the average range showing was over 400 which is more than they advertise!

Basically, the range has very little to do with the battery capacity and a great deal to do with how fast you drive. Just like a gasser but more so. Please read the GOM thread (https://www.ioniqforum.com/threads/...-range-estimates-aka-the-guess-o-meter-or-gom.49243/?post_id=599305#post-599305) which all new members need to read.

I don’t know how to find the miles/kwh

See my post just before yours. https://www.ioniqforum.com/posts/652178/

 

[hochiinn]

well, no matter if you drive conservative or not, it is nice to see other 16-year old senior citizens out there.

 

[i5maybe]

@i5maybe -
Just buy the damn car. And drive it he same way that you have always driven cars.

That won't move me along much. I could pull out the spreadsheets showing all my mileage back to our '94 Jetta sometime in the previous millennium. One of the better ones was averaging 50 mpg on a 6500 mile cross country (and back) road trip in our '04 Prius-- me, wife, two teenage daughters, all the camping gear, roof rack.... It is still one of our best family memories. This isn't for a lot of people, but it is for me!

 

[Smic]

We are considering trading up to an Ioniq 5 from our Bolt, but are leery of decrease in efficiency compared to our Bolt, currently at 5.2 miles/kWh since resetting the trip odometer over 3000 miles ago. This is a mostly rural driving at 45 mph. A few 2-300 mile trips which included highway driving. Some, but mostly no AC. Driving the speed limit on all roads. Tires at 4 psi over recommended. I would like to know what other similarly conservative drivers are getting with their Ioniq 5s. If you have a number to offer, please include whether R or AWD and wheel size. I do realize this is a trade up in size, power and convenience and that should be worth something, but still not quite ready to make the jump.

We have a ‘23 Bolt and a ‘25 Ioniq5, and really like them both. I logged and calculated 1000 miles of charging the Bolt and found the car exaggerates the efficiency. The Bolt displayed from 4.2 to 5.1, but actual was 3.9 overall. I haven’t cross checked the Ioniq5 (displays 4.1 avg. for 3000 miles), but my gut feeling is they are close to equally efficient.

 

[chuckles]

We are considering trading up to an Ioniq 5 from our Bolt, but are leery of decrease in efficiency compared to our Bolt, currently at 5.2 miles/kWh since resetting the trip odometer over 3000 miles ago. This is a mostly rural driving at 45 mph. A few 2-300 mile trips which included highway driving. Some, but mostly no AC. Driving the speed limit on all roads. Tires at 4 psi over recommended. I would like to know what other similarly conservative drivers are getting with their Ioniq 5s. If you have a number to offer, please include whether R or AWD and wheel size. I do realize this is a trade up in size, power and convenience and that should be worth something, but still not quite ready to make the jump.

Maybe I missed it, but it doesn't look like anybody has discussed your location yet? I'm in Maine so we get some real winter conditions here. I averaged 3.2miles/kWh lifetime over the first 30k miles on the stock tires. I reset that counter when I bought new all-weather tires and have average 3.2miles/kWh over the next 10k on those tires as well.

But seeing strong seasonality in Maine, it varies a lot:

• In the shoulder seasons with no heat or A/C and not highway driving, I've seen it as high as 4.7 miles/kWh.
• In the winter on the highway, low as 2.4miles/kWh on the highway.
• With kayak racks on the roof, I'll average around 3.2miles/kWh in the summer.
• With the racks off, I average around 3.8miles/kWh in the summer.
• Worst I've ever seen was a hot summer day with 2 kayaks on the roof and lots of highway driving - 2.1miles/kWh.

So it will depend a lot more on your driving conditions than your driving style. If you see winter where you are, maybe you'll be in the low to mid 3's lifetime. But if not, maybe you'll see higher 3's or even up to 4.

Also depends on the length of your average drive. Beginning of drives with the heat on, it'll start around 1.8mi/kWh. But then once the heat pump reaches the right temperature, it climbs up to the mid 2's. So if you're doing lots of short trips in really cold (or less so really hot) weather, you'll see lower averages than if you tend to do longer drives where the heat pump efficiency helps out.

 

[Hitstirrer]

This isn't for a lot of people, but it is for me!

At least you recognise that you are an outlier on this subject. Seeking information on a potential replacement for your car might help you to decide. But I doubt it. Because checking any ten drivers' results will bring up ten different answers. And since none of those people will be driving in your location, with your specific weather patterns, and your driving style, their results will not reflect the ones you seek to replicate.

The Ioniq 5 has sufficient driver selections to create personal settings for them to maximise economy, so I'm sure that you would be satisfied with its figures. Even if they don't actually match your figures in a smaller EV.

 

[Fan of EV]

That won't move me along much. I could pull out the spreadsheets showing all my mileage back to our '94 Jetta sometime in the previous millennium.

I guess I could pull out the log book I kept on my ‘82 hatchback and enter the data into a spreadsheet. I didn’t do it when I owned the car as I didn’t have a PC until 1985.

I logged and calculated 1000 miles of charging the Bolt and found the car exaggerates the efficiency.

Based on energy my EVSE reports it delivers to the car and actual miles driven, my 2022 I5 AWD reports about 10% higher mi/kWh than actual. I chalk that up to charging inefficiency.

For what it’s worth, both my 2004 Prius and 2017 Prius Prime were also optimistic on their MPG displays. And charging inefficiencies could not be blamed for their errors.

 

[GPBuzz]

@i5maybe - You have explained that your particular 'thing' about EV ownership is pretty much focused on how many miles per kWh you can achieve. To the extent of deliberating about buying a car that might not be able to match the figures that you have seen recently. And that's despite comparing apples with oranges over car size.

I tend to view such matters from a different perspective. Here in the UK I drive my Ioniq 5 AWD exactly as I have always driven my cars. I don't even consider whether the car is managing 3.5 or 4.8 or even 5.2 miles per kWh. It is what it is after any one drive whether thats in winter with horizontal rain up a mountain, or a bimble through English villages in summer. Again, it is what it is. And I'm unconcerned about the bald figures. Much of this comes from a previous life when I was involved in shaving pennies from processes.

I can't help applying costs to changes in methods.

For instance. Over 3000 miles, a car achieving a decent average of 3.5 miles per kWh would need 857 kWhs. And a car managing an excellent 5.2 miles per kWh would only use 577 kWhs.

That's a min and max figure for almost all modern EVs. The difference between superb efficiency and normal over the 3000 miles mentioned is 857-577 = 280 kWhs. I use an overnight tariff that costs me 6.7p per kWh here in the UK, and almost all of my mileage is at that figure. So, the difference between excellence and normal is 280kWh @ 6.7p = £18.76.

Now, I realise that to some people, striving for an excellent economy is a cross between a good game and a fixation. But really? Less than $20 in three months. $7 a month. 20c a day? And that's the maximum difference between superb economy and OK? Made even more ironic when someone is prepared to spend $shedloads on changing rims and tyres in an effort to shave off another 0.1 figure from the average m/kWh.

Just buy the damn car. And drive it he same way that you have always driven cars. Then live with the figures, even if they are a tad lower than you managed in a smaller and lighter car.

Precisely !!

 

[Coastal]

We have a ‘23 Bolt and a ‘25 Ioniq5, and really like them both. I logged and calculated 1000 miles of charging the Bolt and found the car exaggerates the efficiency. The Bolt displayed from 4.2 to 5.1, but actual was 3.9 overall. I haven’t cross checked the Ioniq5 (displays 4.1 avg. for 3000 miles), but my gut feeling is they are close to equally efficient.

I guess I could pull out the log book I kept on my ‘82 hatchback and enter the data into a spreadsheet. I didn’t do it when I owned the car as I didn’t have a PC until 1985.

Based on energy my EVSE reports it delivers to the car and actual miles driven, my 2022 I5 AWD reports about 10% higher mi/kWh than actual. I chalk that up to charging inefficiency.

For what it’s worth, both my 2004 Prius and 2017 Prius Prime were also optimistic on their MPG displays. And charging inefficiencies could not be blamed for their errors.

These are good points. We have these and many threads discussing miles / kWh - but we really don't know (at least I don't think I have seen any hard data) how accurate the miles / kWh displayed by our cars actually is?

We may be debating numbers that are not showing reality. I am assuming when comparing my Ioniq 5 to my Ioniq 6 both cars have same levels accuracy, but again I don't know....

 

[Coastal]

That won't move me along much. I could pull out the spreadsheets showing all my mileage back to our '94 Jetta sometime in the previous millennium. One of the better ones was averaging 50 mpg on a 6500 mile cross country (and back) road trip in our '04 Prius-- me, wife, two teenage daughters, all the camping gear, roof rack.... It is still one of our best family memories. This isn't for a lot of people, but it is for me!

I am not sure why people are giving you a hard time for this.

If this is your thing and part of your decision process go for it.

As you say, it is not for everyone but it is for you.

 

[i5maybe]

I am not sure why people are giving you a hard time for this.

If this is your thing and part of your decision process go for it.

As you say, it is not for everyone but it is for you.

Haha! Not a hard time. I hadn't expected so many helpful responses. Much appreciated! Maybe it will be helpful for others too, even if they are coming at this with a different perspective than mine.

 

[lompchad]

I have only owned my Ioniq 5 for 5 months, so no winter driving yet. I keep a spreadsheet using the kWh numbers from my ChargePoint home charger, and my numbers have been 3.2 to 4.1 mi/kWh. The low number was driving on an interstate in very heavy rain that kept standing water on the road for much of the trip, like 1/4 or 1/2" deep constantly. So not Bolt territory for efficiency, but this is a much bigger car. In my previous EV, my rule of thumb was winter days (in MA) at 70 mph result in 30% lower efficiency than EPA rating, warm days at 35 mph result in 30% better than EPA rating. So, as the driver form Maine mentions, weather is a huge influence. And if your experience is like mine, I will predict that you will find the Ioniq 5 MUCH quieter and solid feeling on the road. I test drove a BMW and Lexus and the Ioniq 5 was their equal in this regard and much superior on efficiency and range.

 

[LesterB]

@i5maybe - You have explained that your particular 'thing' about EV ownership is pretty much focused on how many miles per kWh you can achieve. To the extent of deliberating about buying a car that might not be able to match the figures that you have seen recently. And that's despite comparing apples with oranges over car size.

I tend to view such matters from a different perspective. Here in the UK I drive my Ioniq 5 AWD exactly as I have always driven my cars. I don't even consider whether the car is managing 3.5 or 4.8 or even 5.2 miles per kWh. It is what it is after any one drive whether thats in winter with horizontal rain up a mountain, or a bimble through English villages in summer. Again, it is what it is. And I'm unconcerned about the bald figures. Much of this comes from a previous life when I was involved in shaving pennies from processes.

I can't help applying costs to changes in methods.

For instance. Over 3000 miles, a car achieving a decent average of 3.5 miles per kWh would need 857 kWhs. And a car managing an excellent 5.2 miles per kWh would only use 577 kWhs.

That's a min and max figure for almost all modern EVs. The difference between superb efficiency and normal over the 3000 miles mentioned is 857-577 = 280 kWhs. I use an overnight tariff that costs me 6.7p per kWh here in the UK, and almost all of my mileage is at that figure. So, the difference between excellence and normal is 280kWh @ 6.7p = £18.76.

Now, I realise that to some people, striving for an excellent economy is a cross between a good game and a fixation. But really? Less than $20 in three months. $7 a month. 20c a day? And that's the maximum difference between superb economy and OK? Made even more ironic when someone is prepared to spend $shedloads on changing rims and tyres in an effort to shave off another 0.1 figure from the average m/kWh.

Just buy the damn car. And drive it he same way that you have always driven cars. Then live with the figures, even if they are a tad lower than you managed in a smaller and lighter car.

Aside from being entirely rational, I value this post for its use of the word “bimble.” I plan to use it often. Shedloads isn’t bad either. I wish we spoke this musically on this side of the pond. thanks @Hitstirrer .

 

[kcpdx]

I've found that the only time kWh comes significantly into play is planning a trip. If you've been getting 4.5 miles/ kWh around town and then head out on a 65mph trip on the highway, the car is going to over estimate your range for the trip. So plan accordingly.

 

[Brian Thistle]

@i5maybe - You have explained that your particular 'thing' about EV ownership is pretty much focused on how many miles per kWh you can achieve. To the extent of deliberating about buying a car that might not be able to match the figures that you have seen recently. And that's despite comparing apples with oranges over car size.

I tend to view such matters from a different perspective. Here in the UK I drive my Ioniq 5 AWD exactly as I have always driven my cars. I don't even consider whether the car is managing 3.5 or 4.8 or even 5.2 miles per kWh. It is what it is after any one drive whether thats in winter with horizontal rain up a mountain, or a bimble through English villages in summer. Again, it is what it is. And I'm unconcerned about the bald figures. Much of this comes from a previous life when I was involved in shaving pennies from processes.

I can't help applying costs to changes in methods.

For instance. Over 3000 miles, a car achieving a decent average of 3.5 miles per kWh would need 857 kWhs. And a car managing an excellent 5.2 miles per kWh would only use 577 kWhs.

That's a min and max figure for almost all modern EVs. The difference between superb efficiency and normal over the 3000 miles mentioned is 857-577 = 280 kWhs. I use an overnight tariff that costs me 6.7p per kWh here in the UK, and almost all of my mileage is at that figure. So, the difference between excellence and normal is 280kWh @ 6.7p = £18.76.

Now, I realise that to some people, striving for an excellent economy is a cross between a good game and a fixation. But really? Less than $20 in three months. $7 a month. 20c a day? And that's the maximum difference between superb economy and OK? Made even more ironic when someone is prepared to spend $shedloads on changing rims and tyres in an effort to shave off another 0.1 figure from the average m/kWh.

Just buy the damn car. And drive it he same way that you have always driven cars. Then live with the figures, even if they are a tad lower than you managed in a smaller and lighter car.

Not an unreasonable point of view sir.

I’ll sit down with a notepad later just to put a cost on that equation if the average cost per Kw is a real world average of, what, say £0.70 sourced commercially. (Easy, it’s ten times).

I’m with you, but many are not. It’s U.K. charger prices that make people want to get more bang for their buck.

Keep up the good work.

 

[JerryP]

I've found that the only time kWh comes significantly into play is planning a trip. If you've been getting 4.5 miles/ kWh around town and then head out on a 65mph trip on the highway, the car is going to over estimate your range for the trip. So plan accordingly.

2024 - First ever Ioniq 5 road trip. Only off by 130 miles. When we charged after 217 miles, the GOM said we had 43 left. LOL!

On the other hand, the trip planning will grossly UNDERESTIMATE how far you can go.

 

[A bit Ioniq]

We are considering trading up to an Ioniq 5 from our Bolt, but are leery of decrease in efficiency compared to our Bolt, currently at 5.2 miles/kWh since resetting the trip odometer over 3000 miles ago. This is a mostly rural driving at 45 mph. A few 2-300 mile trips which included highway driving. Some, but mostly no AC. Driving the speed limit on all roads. Tires at 4 psi over recommended. I would like to know what other similarly conservative drivers are getting with their Ioniq 5s. If you have a number to offer, please include whether R or AWD and wheel size. I do realize this is a trade up in size, power and convenience and that should be worth something, but still not quite ready to make the jump.

it is a bigger heavier car with less aro, so its igoiing to be worse. Right now at least in the US car manufacture are focused on bigger not better. The more efficent EVs are being sold in China and Europe mostly. That is why I'm hanging on to my 2020 Ioniq electric that averages 5.5 to 6 miles per KW until the car manufactures start selling better EVs here in the US. Good luck with your new car.

 

[mralex1986]

it is a bigger heavier car with less aro, so its igoiing to be worse. Right now at least in the US car manufacture are focused on bigger not better. The more efficent EVs are being sold in China and Europe mostly. That is why I'm hanging on to my 2020 Ioniq electric that averages 5.5 to 6 miles per KW until the car manufactures start selling better EVs here in the US. Good luck with your new car.

I completely understand your point. I had a 2019 Ioniq EV, the efficiency was insane! I did a 30km drive before hitting a highway and registered 7.3kWh/100km. That is bananas! Same drive on my Ioniq 5, I'm lucky to go below 12kWh/100km.

That being said, the 200km range really did push it for my round-trip commute of 140km, especially in the winter when my range dropped around 130km. So, on one hand, I miss the super efficiency. On the other hand, despite the Ioniq 5 being nowhere near as efficient, I haven't really had to think ahead, plan ahead, or generally give any thought to whether or not I'll have to maximize that efficiency because there's just so much range in comparison.