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#21 ·
ArizonaJon said:
I love Munro's tear down videos, but his lack of knowledge about non-Tesla cars is a problem. When he did a road test on the ID4 and tried to charge it asked him for the phone that was linked to the free charging. He had no idea what was happening. Instead he just criticized the car because it didn't do what he wanted.
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Munro doesn't really seem to understand the technology he's talking about, he's just generally a tesla fanboy and cranky old man who likes to talk up his own claimed accomplishments. His obsession with clips over mechanical fasteners is also a little humorous (for instance, on one of his first Mach E videos he actually destroys a few of the clips that hold the frunk liner in place trying to remove it. Clips are simple, but they're notoriously unreliable). His flip out when he couldn't figure out how to bring up the map on the ID.4 speaks to his cranky old man-ness.
 
#22 ·
Jaz said:
The Mustang is a great car but doesn't have good comfort and the build quality is medium. From the VW group, the best-finished EV is the Skoda Enyaq (applause for the Czech). The ID4 and ID3 don't have such a good quality of materials, which is really atypical for a VW but is a fact. The biggest issue of the EV cars from the VW group, not mentioned in this test, is to have continuously software bugs. It is really dramatic. Updating often crashes the computers. Positive is that from now on they can update over the air (OTA). Just hoping that it doesn't crash the computers when the car is at home. The next EV Ford will be based on VW group platforms. 😓
The point is that both Ford and VW have a lot of experience, but it is their first electric car.
This is not the case for the Hyundai group.
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I've been driving my VW e-golf for 3 years. Very pleased with it. Had I not seen and read quite so much about the ID4 poor infotainment system, however, I would have ordered one. As it is, I've placed a pre-order for the Ioniq 5.
 
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amillsmcewan said:
I've been driving my VW e-golf for 3 years. Very pleased with it. Had I not seen and read quite so much about the ID4 poor infotainment system, however, I would have ordered one. As it is, I've placed a pre-order for the Ioniq 5.
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in my experience, the id4 infotainment isnt as bad as what people say. definitely superior to the one in my 2017 toyota. i think they just have high expectations by comparing it to the tesla infotainment. however, there is definitely going to be a learning curve with the vw system, but it wasnt laggy or unresponsive when i used it. i would say it is on par with toyotas and hondas, which are its main competitors anyways.
 
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funnynardo said:
in my experience, the id4 infotainment isnt as bad as what people say. definitely superior to the one in my 2017 toyota. i think they just have high expectations by comparing it to the tesla infotainment. however, there is definitely going to be a learning curve with the vw system, but it wasnt laggy or unresponsive when i used it. i would say it is on par with toyotas and hondas, which are its main competitors anyways.
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From recent reviews the ID.4 screen lag was pretty much resolved with a software update, overall good now. Still a choice for me in rwd w Stateroom package as it qualifies for full rebates where I reside. Still awaiting price for the Ioniq 5 her in Canada w my pre order. I liked the Mach E when I drove it but it gets only 3K rebate here. I found it to be pretty nice but the Ioniq 5 is my favorite design and the Kia EV6 is growing on me more
 
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I wouldn't want to use Tesla infotainment either. I don't want to do everything via a touchscreen, period. I think a physical dial to change aircon temperature is safer during driving.
 
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amillsmcewan said:
I've been driving my VW e-golf for 3 years. Very pleased with it. Had I not seen and read quite so much about the ID4 poor infotainment system, however, I would have ordered one. As it is, I've placed a pre-order for the Ioniq 5.
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Indeed VW group products have always been reliable, but is it still so?
If you think the price is high for an Ioniq 5 and comparable to the price of an ID4 or Audi Q4, which are produced in Germany at very high labor costs compared to Korean labor costs, then the difference can only be in the quality of the parts. All the problems that the VW group is experiencing are partly due to software teething problems, which should be resolved over time. The biggest fear I have is the quality of the hardware made in China, which cannot be solved as quickly as software problems.
Example is an Audi Q4 50 so AWD, which has come to a standstill after 900 km because the power electronics of the front engine is broken. The car is back to Audi, but they have no parts. They couldn't have said anything more than to replace the front motor with hardware electronics. This will take time to get the parts because they do not come from Germany is said to the customer. That worries me.
see video 1 and video 2
The guy got a big Audi E-tron 55 and after several weeks don't know when he will get his Q4 back.
 
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rwerp said:
I saw this video, I think the guy is overdoing it a little bit :)
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Maybe, but what I find is the longer or more a reviewer drives the Ioniq 5, the more convinced he is to buy one himself.
Nextmove, CarManiac, Bjorn Nyland etc... to name only a few.
Personally for me the most convincing thing is that the company Nextmove already has about 400 EVs of all possible brands, which you can rent per day to try an EV and that its founder who can drive a different EV every day, for himself bought an IONIQ 5.
 
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Jaz said:
Maybe, but what I find is the longer or more a reviewer drives the Ioniq 5, the more convinced he is to buy one himself.
Nextmove, CarManiac, Bjorn Nyland etc... to name only a few.
Personally for me the most convincing thing is that the company Nextmove already has about 400 EVs of all possible brands, which you can rent per day to try an EV and that its founder who can drive a different EV every day, for himself bought an IONIQ 5.
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Except for the Polish reviewers, but I think they're biased by the scepticism towards EVs prevalent in Poland.
 
#39 ·
For physical versus on screen buttons, I prefer the physical buttons. But I now use voice commands on my Chrysler and love it, even less distracting. This is also the way most Tesla owners set their temperature, turn on wipers, etc. Let’s hope the Hyundai is good at voice recognition (VR). At least VR can be updated with OTA.
 
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djgras said:
Reliability...
According to JD POWER, KIA (Hyundai Group) #1 in reliability before Toyota. Tesla bottom. German automakers middle of the road (Mercedes, Audi)...
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Kia will take a hit because of the LG Chem battery recall.
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Should read Hyundai will take a hit because of th LG Chem battery recall. NMo such problem with Kia.
 
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