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The Mustang is a great car but doesn't have good comfort and the build quality is medium. From the VW group, the best-finished EV is the Skoda Enyaq (applause for the Czech). The ID4 and ID3 don't have such a good quality of materials, which is really atypical for a VW but is a fact. The biggest issue of the EV cars from the VW group, not mentioned in this test, is to have continuously software bugs. It is really dramatic. Updating often crashes the computers. Positive is that from now on they can update over the air (OTA). Just hoping that it doesn't crash the computers when the car is at home. The next EV Ford will be based on VW group platforms. 😓
The point is that both Ford and VW have a lot of experience, but it is their first electric car.
This is not the case for the Hyundai group.
 
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Jaz said:
The Mustang is a great car but doesn't have good comfort and the build quality is medium. From the VW group, the best-finished EV is the Skoda Enyaq (applause for the Czech). The ID4 and ID3 don't have such a good quality of materials, which is really atypical for a VW but is a fact. The biggest issue of the EV cars from the VW group, not mentioned in this test, is to have continuously software bugs. It is really dramatic. Updating often crashes the computers. Positive is that from now on they can update over the air (OTA). Just hoping that it doesn't crash the computers when the car is at home. The next EV Ford will be based on VW group platforms. [emoji29]
The point is that both Ford and VW have a lot of experience, but it is their first electric car.
This is not the case for the Hyundai group.
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When you say build quality that's pretty much the perceived build quality from the plastics and finishes in the interior.

I wouldn't equate that to overall build and mechanicals and electricals of the cars - I doubt there's much difference in standards from a car built on the exact same platform with near identical components from the same parent company.
 
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I can not wait until Sandi Munro does a comparison of the Ioniq 5 when they have the ability to obtain one and do a thorough strip down of it. I would be very interested to see this before I buy if at all possible The video below is a great comparison if the Mach E is second best vs what else is currently available or that they have had opportunity to analyze

 
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IMO Munro has a bit of a cranky old grump thing going on, and loves to talk up his own greatness, but my take on the Mach E is kind of what I'd expect from Ford. The actual structural components seem well designed, but EV drivetrain and electronics integration scream that they essentially cobbled the thing together. What's interesting is that unlike the other major competitors (VW, Hyundai/Kia, Nissan, etc) Ford didn't actually bother developing a bespoke EV platform, they kind of just threw a car together (and the lack of really thinking the EV drivetrain through shows)
 
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i drove a mustang mach e and vw id4. so far from what i experienced, i actually felt more comfortable driving the id4, and felt it was more stable when turning (wider tires do make a difference). it also has an insanely good turning radius, which is great for the city. i will go probably later this week or next week to drive the mustang mach e again, as i feel i didnt drive it enough to get a good impression out of it. i liked the mach e infotainment system better than what the vw has, but i think the complaints about lag and the haptic feedback about the vw system are a little exaggerated. it isnt as bad as it seems. however, there are some things about it that make it a little bit hard to get used to at the beginning (learning curve). the mach e infotainment system is much more intuitive, and if you are a tesla owner, it should only take a few mins to get used to. in both the mustang mach e and id4, i activated the wipers while trying to change gears (i drive a model 3 at the moment), so if you drive a tesla, that is one thing to consider. but overall, i think the id4 is a more solid car than the mach e, but the mach e has much better technology (could actually be even better than the tech in teslas now except for that low charge speed).
 
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spectrum.ieee.org

How Software Is Eating the Car

The trend toward self-driving and electric vehicles will add hundreds of millions of lines of code to cars. Can the auto industry cope?
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How little software is developed by car makers is illustrated by comments made in 2020 by Herbert Diess, then CEO Volkswagen Group and now its Chairman, when he admitted that “hardly a line of software code comes from us.” VW estimates that only 10% of the software in its vehicles is developed in-house. The other 90% is contributed by tens of suppliers, and at some OEMs, this number reportedly reaches more than 50.
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No wonder they keep making a hash of it.
 
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It seems to me Munro is only happy when it's cheaper and/or easier for the manufacturer, not necessarily when it's a better product for the consumer. Case in point, he was super impressed when he discovered that Tesla was omitting wheel well and underbody trim panel fasteners, leaving out a bunch of holes exposed to the elements. He was counting the number of pennies Tesla has saved in leaving a bunch of holes on the car, never mentioning all the junk and dirt that will get collected in those holes. He has learned that he has much to gain by stroking the egoes of Tesla fans. He sold enough bumper sticker to pay for a new Model S Plaid in a matter of days. He even mentioned that he has a condo for sale in one of those videos :ROFLMAO:

For sure the Ioniq 5 will be a better car than either the Tesla 3 or Y, since the Mach E is already better than they are, and the Ioniq 5 is better than the Mach E. I know because I traded in my 3 for a Mach E. Good riddance. It's a better car in nearly every way.

Edit: Munro & co must have missed the magnetically attached fasteners on the Mach E headliner. I discovered it when wiring my dashcam. It made working on the car much easier because I didn't have to forcefully remove those typical plastic snap on fasteners that always break. I suspect Munro will totally flip out if he saw that Ford there. Look at pic below. This looks quite over-engineered. Many other cars I've worked on simply have a plastic snap on fasteners right through the headliner.

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Munro doesn't really seem to understand the technology he's talking about, he's just generally a tesla fanboy and cranky old man who likes to talk up his own claimed accomplishments. His obsession with clips over mechanical fasteners is also a little humorous (for instance, on one of his first Mach E videos he actually destroys a few of the clips that hold the frunk liner in place trying to remove it. Clips are simple, but they're notoriously unreliable). His flip out when he couldn't figure out how to bring up the map on the ID.4 speaks to his cranky old man-ness.
 
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For physical versus on screen buttons, I prefer the physical buttons. But I now use voice commands on my Chrysler and love it, even less distracting. This is also the way most Tesla owners set their temperature, turn on wipers, etc. Let’s hope the Hyundai is good at voice recognition (VR). At least VR can be updated with OTA.
 
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tesla does have some of the best voice controls in the industry, if not the best. it is really useful especially with navigation, calling, or setting music. hopefully ioniq 5 has something close to as good. the one in my toyota is absolute garbage except for calling.
 
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I think they had to move the gear selector on the steering wheel to allow the central island to slide backwards. And the latter is a very cool thing in my book. I don't mind the gear selection stalk being on the steering wheel at all.
 
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I think you misunderstand me, I find the gear selector on the I5 very convenient. I prefer the Tesla way, as it is (almost) in the path of the right hand, but that's just minor, you get used to both ways. My issue was with Tesla removing the stalk altogether on the new S and probably next gen Y and 3. I do think Hyundai and VW should have electric steering wheel adjustment, though. And it should be possible to store seating positions while driving. That's when you do small adjustments anyway.
 
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Right. I had set the temperature to auto, including vent and heat on the seats. So when my better half drove it started heating her seat, which rarely is needed in summer. She struggled to turn it off. I don't think it should be neccessary to study the manual for basic functions like this. I hope they will make the touch interface more intuitive. I can live with it, though. Once you know how, it's not a problem.
 
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