HDA2 is already pretty good and it will let you drive handsfree for 1-3 minutes at a time before it prompts you to touch the steering wheel. HDA2 already has automated lane centering, adaptive cruise and resume from stop. I would have a hard time paying $2800 U$ (comma 3, I5 harness, harness box, panda box) so it can be handsfree for longer periods of time.

 

I've been using OpenPilot for 5+ years on a number of different vehicles, and it's hard to overstate how great it is. Many videos on YouTube show it drive for hundreds of miles at a time flawlessly, which is my experience of having done numerous cross country roadtrips where the data came back showing 99% driven by OpenPilot. HDA2 is not comparable. This was a critical part of why I bought an Ioniq 5. If you have an HKG E-GMP car this is a no brainer.

Do know that as for today, for HKG vehicles specifically (and many but not all others, depends on make of vehicle), OpenPilot is latitudinal only (relies on cars longitudinal, which thankfully is quite good). By years end this should hopefully change, at which point the HDA2 E-GMP cars will likely be the best OP cars on the road, capable of navigating more similarly to Tesla FSD rather than Autopilot - e.g. input directions, it takes you there. I think it's more likely to be a few months into next year by the time we see that, but it's a little too far out to say for certain.

Also the e-gmp cars have CAN-FD, which is a blessing and a curse. The blessing is that we're likely to be the first vehicles capable of Tesla FSD like routing, the curse is that in order to process CAN-FD data you'll need a red panda and additional harness box (two harness boxes total, one harness, one red panda, a couple usb cables). The full price is closer to $3k rather than $2k if you're buying new and not upgrading from a previous setup.

 

I have the I5 AWD Limited. I paid $1K for the Comma 3X and another hundred dollars for the Harness for the I5. I have been using it for a week and have tried the Openpilot software, Sunnypilot with multiple target branches, Frogpilot with multiple target branches and have returned to Sunnypilot using Dev 3 target branch. I have also took the steps to implement Navigation via Mapbox and have the map showing and I am able to load a route but the car will not automatically follow the route and stop at lights and stopsigns. The system does recognize Red/Green lights, and stopsigns but takes no action. This system is 100 times better than HDA II. I can go on the highway, side roads, country roads and let it steer itself and I do not have to touch the wheel at any time. I have the same capabilities as HDA 2 but on steroids. This was worth the money and I bought an extra harness for my Hyundai Hybrid Santa Fe and will move between the vehicles when needed.
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Myles - have you used it on an I5? Any recordings to see how it works/compares?

I'm really curious - but would probably wait until the routing/navigation exists.

 

Use it with my I5 daily. As for videos there's 5+ years worth of YouTube videos of OpenPilot working for many thousands of people across hundreds of makes of cars, I wouldn't bother to make my own. I'd say this one is highly representative of the experience you can expect, but our Ioniq 5's can take even tighter turns (ultimately 90 degree turns):

OpenPilot also can be enabled on all roads, it's not just a highway thing. Will steer beautifully through intersections as well, but again, only latitudinal for our vehicles for now. If you get really into it you can try other forks with even more features too, like soon sunnypilot will likely work with our cars so that we can decouple latitutidinal/longitudinal - i.e. have car always steer even if we're manually using the peddles.

Bottom line is if you do a lot of cruising, road tripping, etc. it's worth it's weight in gold. If you're into more city and spirited shorter distance driving, it's value is going to be a lot less until we get longitudinal.

 

Interesting, thanks. Going to keep an eye out for the first fork to have route/nav integration!

 

That's not what forks are for, and nav already exists through comma prime. Your car just won't follow it. Just get setup and run stock for now. By the time you have your hardware Ioniq 5 support will have landed, else you can run a beta version for a week.

 

I will add they have run black friday sales the last two years. So you could wait for a deal. Or search used markets. Definitely recommend joining the discord community and reading up there, and checking out #for-sale channel which has lots of used hardware flowing through.

 

I've had a Comma 3 in my 22 Palisade for about a year. We used it to drive from the Oregon coast to Virginia and back. Comma did probably 95% of the driving.

I put a deposit down for an Ioniq 5 Limited yesterday and have some questions, Myles, if you don't mind answering. Is it correct that you need the vehicle specific harness, the Red Panda, and am I reading correctly that 2 harness boxes are needed? I'm trading my Palisade in so I'll have the power cable and stuff. I tried asking on discord and they kept referring me to pinned messages which I couldn't figure out.

 

He's using his blinker to initiate automatic lane changes.

 

Does this thing support hands free 90 degree right hand/left hand turns?

 

Sorry to say but you should actually refer to the pinned messages, there's a specific parts list you'll need and a doodle of a diagram on how to hook everything up. Don't be intimidated though, very easy transition.

 

The doodle. I didn't notice it before. That helped so much. Thanks!

 

Are there any warranty considerations in using comma3? Thx.

 

If they deny a claim they’re supposed to be required to prove the aftermarket device caused it. I always just remove mine and tuck the cables behind the mirror of my Palisade when it goes in for service. But to my knowledge the device doesn’t leave any lasting clues once it’s removed.

 

The Comma is an excellent dash cam and also logs your accelerator and brake inputs along with steering angle, etc. so it could also be used in your defense. But yeah your point is very valid.

 

In US as well when auto insurance is purchased, they do ask those questions. They don’t verify them, but I would bet that if there is a collision and insurance company determines car was being driven through mods, they will deny payments. Not sure if such cases have gone to courts yet.

 

Not all insurance asks about modifications.

 

Just found this diagram via Discord, sharing here so it might help others out.

 

This thread has been dormant for five months, so it's time for an update for anyone interested. Comma has dropped the C3 (Comma 3), and replaced it with the new C3X. Not only is the C3X less expensive than the C3, it has built-in support for CAN-FD which is used by the Ioniq 5. This means no more Red Panda (the red box shown in post #23 above) and associated cables, saving even more money. Thus the total cost to equip an I5 in the U.S. is $1250 for the C3X, plus $200 for the car harness, plus state taxes. (Be sure to correctly specify whether or not you have HDA-II in the ordering process, as the harnesses are different.)

I received mine recently and installed it yesterday. I haven't driven on a divided highway with it yet, but I did drive on some roads around town and it did great. Hands-free driving on roads with and without center lines, even unpaved roads. For the I5 the current version of the OpenPilot software only handles steering and relies on the car's built-in ACC to maintain separation from the lead car. This may change in future versions.

 

Ioniq Guy just posted a video about the Comma 3X with Sunnypilot.

 

I think what he means regarding the "certain level of torque" with the stock HDA2 is that it gives you a warning to "jiggle" the steering wheel every so often. No such warning with Comma 3X.

 

I really dislike most of the Ioniq guy's content, but it is true that it requires "a certain level of torque on the steering wheel". Too little torque - it won't trigger, you are not paying attention. Too much torque - it won't trigger, input detected. 🤯

 

I was just assuming this wouldn't work with my SE, but on Comma's website it has the unit with a harness for I5's without HDA2. Would that mean that I would be able to add lane changes to my SE, or would it just not have that functionality but add it's own adaptive cruise and lane centering?

 

The comma3x does have lane changing abilities, i had them working on my subaru when i had it so you should have lane change functionality if you install it on your SE.

I will be buying the harness, soon since i just picked up my car and wanted to get used to the HDA2. I do have a limited model that does have all the bells and whistles though so we'll see whats available and whats not available.

 

I have 2023 Ioniq 5 AWD Limited, and have installed Comma 3X. I am impressed with its capability, I am still waiting for the Navigation update. I would like to get in the car and have the car navigate to my destination with little to no input from me. I have had the 3X for a month now.