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When do the disk brakes engage in i-pedal mode?

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I own a RWD base model i5 for 16 months and 34K km - love the car, no issues.
Always driving in i-pedal, and very conscious of the regen power animation on the screen.
So, say I am driving 80kmh and letting go of the accelerator pedal, regen power is maximum.
If I apply the brake pedal at this stage, surely the disk brakes engage - this is clear.
As the vehicle slows down, regen power decreases.
If I (gently) apply the brake pedal at this stage, does regen increases or the disk brakes engage?
A guy I trust tested this scenario with a measurement devise and reported that regen is not increased when applying the brake pedal at low speed (in i-pedal).
So this is how I read it:
  1. i-pedal always uses the maximum possible regeneration.
  2. Max regen power is proportional to the speed: the lower the speed the lower the regeneration power.
  3. So given the above, in i-pedal mode: ANY use of the brake pedal, regardless of vehicle speed and force applied on the pedal, engages the disk brakes.
Can anyone confirm or refute this understanding?
No offence but please let's stick to facts and measurements, not opinions..
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No clue but I have often wondered what actually happens when the brake pedal
Is depressed. I also find at time at the same stop sign when I pull the left paddle to engage max regen the car will stop fine while at other times I have to use the brake pedal. I never have had the car over 80% charged at these times so it is not a case where there is no place to dump the energy. I don’t use iPedal as I don’t feel it is as efficient as using the paddles. Recently read an article by a Porsche engineer that confirms that one pedal driving is not that efficient. So my question is why does hyundai not share info on when the friction brake GM is actually used.
I don't have an exact answer but I can contribute my experience. I use an OBD2 dongle to monitor data directly from the car.

Your point #1. Yes, I-Pedal is max regeneration, but up to a point. It seems that the limit is a deceleration around 0.2 to 0.25 G. Say you are at highway speed at 60MPH (97KPH) and release the accelerator for "full regen". I can see the deceleration sits at 0.2 G but the kW being generated is lower at higher speeds. As you slow down, the kW generated increases to maintain a deceleration of 0.2 G. (Point #2) Once you are down to much slower, city, speeds, yes, you generate less kW. A deceleration of 0.2 G at a slow speed would be almost like slamming on your brakes, so the G limit is lower at slower speeds. The I-Pedal max regeneration appears to be more of a bell curve in relation to deceleration, than linear with speed.

Point #3. When you gently apply the brakes, you will initially get some regen. This, I can see with the OBD2 dongle as kW generated. But you can also see in the dashboard that you are regenerating. As you step into the brake harder you will engage the friction brakes as well as increase the regen a little more. In older ICE vehicles you get little to no braking power when you gently put your foot on the brake pedal. In the Ioniq 5, it just adds in a bit of regen at first, then the friction brakes start to grab, then both as you step harder. The regen in the brake pedal smooths out what old friction-only brakes felt like. It gives it a more linear and predictable pedal feel. TLDR; Yes, brake pedal equals friction brakes. But also blends in regeneration, throughout.

I will also add that I have tried pedal braking with Level-0 (after the disc cleaning cycle) and I do see regeneration kW on the OBD2 dongle.
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Thank you for this detailed answer! I was not aware of the bell curve thing, at least not the high speed side of it.
Point #3. When you gently apply the brakes, you will initially get some regen. This, I can see with the OBD2 dongle as kW generated.
Is this true for i-pedal?? again the graph I saw for this exact scenario did NOT show an increase in regen.
Thank you for this detailed answer! I was not aware of the bell curve thing, at least not the high speed side of it.

Is this true for i-pedal?? again the graph I saw for this exact scenario did NOT show an increase in regen.
From my experience, when I use the brakes in I-Pedal, I do get additional regen (and mostly friction). That's the data I see from the OBD2 scanner. Maybe it's just my car? I can't speak for everyone else. I have the latest USA TSB updates. And I have a Limited AWD (not sure if that makes a difference.)
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There are three limits to the deceleration from iPedal.
Firstly it is capped at 4m/s2 because anything over that is deemed emergency braking and needs to be under the control of the ABS system.
At lower speeds (<~30mph) it drops to 2.5m/s2
Finally it is limited by the retardation power of the system which is ~145kW in an AWD.
When you lift and apply the brakes the contribution from iPedal remains, but the power generated falls as the speed drops off.
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