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Those who seriously consider going for an Ioniq 5 (like me and my son), might want to explore in more detail what extra's exactly the Ioniq 5 has to offer, compared to the Kona EV and to the current Ioniq, and then to assess whether they are worth the money. For now, I see the following promised pluses:
  1. much faster charging at home (for me a substantial 3x increase from 3.7 kW to 11 kW would be possible)
  2. ultrafast charging on the road (very much faster than both the current Kona and Ioniq: charging up to 80% in less than 15 minutes, if the charging station can deliver that)
  3. more space in the car (substantially more than the Kona and the same or a bit more than the current Ioniq)
  4. a bit more range (not very much compared to the Kona EV, but still substantially more compared to the current 28 kWh and 38 kWh Ioniq)
  5. all-wheel drive
  6. continuous software update via Internet
  7. a special design
For me, the first four items will count the most. These four would make me willing to spend a few thousands more. Also, the last item counts a bit. From the viewpoint of safety, point 5. may also have some value.
 

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I agree that the first four items are the most important. It's a bit puzzling that they expect to raise prices and still increase their market share. Most experts predict that electric cars will get better performance and lower prices over the next few years, as batteries get better and cheaper and competition gets tougher.

As for the design - I think that the "45" concept car is extremely ugly, and its sharp edges hurt my eyes. I would never buy a car that looks like that, so I really hope that the production model will have a more conventional, softer, and less futuristic look. I honestly think that the current Ioniq is one of the most beautiful cars that have ever been built, so it would be a shame to throw all that away.
 

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My 20-year old son, who is in my environment the expert in design, style, and fashion, loves this type of design, and maybe partly I have been infected by that...
 
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Presumably the Ioniq 5 will be able to tow? The one thing I really miss on my EV is a towbar to take a small trailer to the tip with garden cuttings in. I'm sure it would fit, but H decided not to homologate the EV to tow for some reason, maybe cost, and maybe they can sell all the non-towing EVs anyway so why bother. Maybe weight could be an issue. Interesting ID.3 also can't tow a trailer, even though the same MQB platform in ID.4 can! ID.3 only gets weight problems AFAIK in the long-range model with a huge 70+ kWh battery, so it loses the 5th seat & roof-rack, fair enough. So surely the much lighter Ioniq could tow say a 200 Kg unbraked tiny trailer?
 

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There were some suggestions that the all-wheel-drive version of the Ioniq 5 with the bigger battery would be able to tow at least something. But it was so vague that I will wait for a while for further confirmation before I consider it as a fact. I would also be very happy with that option.

For the current Ioniq EV, the weight of the battery is at the rear side of the car. If you add still more weight behind the rear wheels, the grip of the front wheels becomes less, which may add to unsafety on slippery roads.
 

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My 20-year old son, who is in my environment the expert in design, style, and fashion, loves this type of design, and maybe partly I have been infected by that...
Jan sounds like you're more an italian design kinda guy as opposed to your son! That's good.
With all those angles on the 5, does he like the Prius?;)
 

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Hmm, the 38 has 50-50 weight distribution I believe, as the extra cells were added under the front seats.So it has better weight distribution than the 28, which was tail-heavy. Adding a small trailer would just make it more like the 28 again! :)
 

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Jan sounds like you're more an italian design kinda guy as opposed to your son! That's good.
With all those angles on the 5, does he like the Prius?;)
Do you mean the old 2013 Prius Plug In I had up to the end of 2016 or the latest controversial Prius designs?
 
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Do you mean the old 2013 Prius Plug In I had up to the end of 2016 or the latest controversial Prius designs?
I believe the 2016+models. Those models with angles going ever which way. Do u agree?
 

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Hyundai has just provided a 24-minutes video with an explanation of the new platform E-GMP for their future EV cars, starting with the Ioniq 5 to enter the market next year; see here (note that you can use the subtitles option).

See also a text
here and another one here.
This is from the German Hyundai site.
 
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I believe the 2016+models. Those models with angles going every which way. Do u agree?
Yes, I did not like those designs so much, for example, because of the "every which way". I am sure he does not like that type of design either; he is more into minimalist design.
 

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Below the info from the German Autoshop Ludego:

Price: around € 45,000
Power: 100 kW / 136 PS 250 kW / 340 PS
Engine: front and all-wheel
Battery capacity: 58-73 kWh
Consumption: 16-17 kWh / 100 km
Range (min / average / WLTP):
  • 58 kWh: 370km / 400 km / 450 km
  • 73 kWh: 470 km / 500 km / 550 km
Top speed: 160-170 km / h
Acceleration (0-100 km / h): 7.6-5 s
Seats: 5
Trailer coupling: planned
L / W / H (mm) 4630/1890/1600 (values from Kona EV 4180/1800/1570)
Wheelbase (mm) 3000
Tires: R19
Charging options:
  • Standard connections: Type 2 3-phase 11 kW
  • up to CCS 200 kW with 800 V
Phases: 3
Charging times in hours at 58 (73) kWh:
  • Schuko 2.3 kW: 25 (32) h
  • Wall-Box 3.7 kW: 16 (20) h
  • Wall-Box 4.6 kW: 16 (20) h
  • Wall-Box 7.2 kW: 16 (20) h
  • 11 kW charging station: 6 (7) h
  • 22 kW charging station: 6 (7) h
Fast charger possible: Yes
  • Fast charging at 50 kW (80%): 50 min
  • Fast charging at 100 kW (80%): 30 min
  • Fast charging at 200 kW (80%): 15 min
 
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Have difficulty getting my head around a Hyundai EV selling for over $60k when one can buy a Tesla 3 with the same range for about $50k or less.
 

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Why would you think 60 000? The most read expectation is more like 45 000 or 3000 more than a Kona EV; for example, see the Website of Autoshop Ludego I mentioned above. Hopefully, we will learn soon more about prices from some national Hyundai headquarters.
 
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Why would you think 60 000? The most read expectation is more like 45 000 or 3000 more than a Kona EV; for example, see the Website of Autoshop Ludego I mentioned above. Hopefully, we will learn soon more about prices from some national Hyundai headquarters.
Read your own post: Quote: Price: around € 45,000, that is about $55k and by the time you get it loaded up and out the door it is going to be about $60k
 

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So, is the Kona EV also around $ 55 000 in the US? Or is it not available?
 

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Can't see my wife letting me buy a car for that price ;)
 

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So, is the Kona EV also around $ 55 000 in the US? Or is it not available?
The 2021 Ultimate Kona list for about $45k, but with taxes and such it will probably be about $49k or so. BUT you can only purchase them new on the east and west coast. I have seen new 2020 models sell for about $36k before taxes and such in the northeast US. An occasional used one will pop up in the interior. Personally, I do not like the design of the Kona and would not own one. But then after owning an Ioniq for over 18 months, I would never purchase another! I like the Ioniq, but I am getting tired of it. I rarely keep vehicles for more than three years. I have a '05 Nissan pickup and an '06 Mercedes CLK 350, but they are not my main driver, so they are still in the garage. More than likely the Ioniq will be gone in 2021.
 

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The Ioniq 5 will have different variants. Probably the full package with all-wheel-drive and all other options will be 5 to 10k more expensive than the base version. In the Netherlands, the government contribution of € 4000 only holds for EV cars up to € 45 000. Also, the competition becomes tougher. It is expected that these will be reasons for Hyundai to offer at least some versions of the Ioniq 5 below that price of € 45 000. Hyundai is known for a very good value/price ratio, this also feeds this expectation.
 
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