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Pre Conditioning Testing

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#1 ·
I had my Pre Conditioning update done yesterday (UK and no charge). The ‘Winter Mode’ option has now changed to the ‘Pre Conditioning Option” so it looks OK. However, I want to test it.

Found this criteria on an alternative site: This is from EV Odessey's video for the EV6.

and from the notes on that vid:-

requirements for pre-conditioning to start are:
  • Battery Pre-Conditioning has to be enabled
  • DC FAST CHARGER set as a destination in the satnav
  • high voltage battery temp below 21°C
  • high voltage battery SOC at least 24%
  • time to reach optimal temperature LESS THAN = travel time to charger
  • distance to destination less than available range

pre-conditioning will stop or not start at all if:
  • Battery Pre-Conditioning is disabled
  • HV-Battery-temperature GREATER THAN = 21°C
  • HV-Battery-SOC LESS THAN =20%
  • disable the navigation to the HPC
  • Time to reach optimal temperature greater than travel time to charger

A couple of questions from the criteria above:

a. Does the DC fast charger have to be a destination or can it be a waypoint?
b. The battery temp one is awkward as we have no way of seeing it unless you use an OBD device. However, I expect we can assume it is less than 21 degs except in mid summer!
c. time to reach optimal temperature LESS THAN = travel time to charger. If the travel time is a lot more than the time required to reach optimal temp is the battery heater delayed? Is so, I wonder what is a reasonable travel time to select for a test?

In addition, on another thread
hasan said:
Another caveat is that preconditioning starts earlier than about half an hour before you reach the charger. This was my observation without accurate measurements but it was always some time earlier that the icon would pop up. The icon would be visible for some time, then disappear for the last 10-15 minutes before reaching the charging station. Sometimes it would go off and then on later and then off again. So, I'm not sure if the icon means "preparing the battery" or "starting to prepare the battery soon" but I am sure that if the icon appeared, the charging speed will be above 120KW and higher if the battery is below 50%.
From the statement above it would seem that you have to actually drive towards a DC charger that is set in the Nav to see if it works.

Can anyone specify a repeatable procedure to test this system?
 
#3 ·
A couple of questions from the criteria above:

a. Does the DC fast charger have to be a destination or can it be a waypoint?
b. The battery temp one is awkward as we have no way of seeing it unless you use an OBD device. However, I expect we can assume it is less than 21 degs except in mid summer!
c. time to reach optimal temperature LESS THAN = travel time to charger. If the travel time is a lot more than the time required to reach optimal temp is the battery heater delayed? Is so, I wonder what is a reasonable travel time to select for a test?

In addition, on another thread


From the statement above it would seem that you have to actually drive towards a DC charger that is set in the Nav to see if it works.

Can anyone specify a repeatable procedure to test this system?
A) In my experience, the DC Fast Charger needs to be a destination, not a waypoint.
C) You can set the DC Fast Charger as a far away destination, and the preconditioning will begin as you get close (~30 minutes) from the destination. If you drive away from the destination, it'll still precondition (or wait to precondition until you're closer) but you'll be constantly hearing the NAV update the routing, which could be annoying.
 
#4 ·
Is the only indication that the battery pre-conditioning is currently active the heater element graphic on the battery SoC percentage? I have the update applied and have met the conditions for pre-conditioning to be activated but have never seen the heating element graphic. Previously I had winter mode activated and never saw the snow flake either but I don’t recall it ever being cold enough for it to be active. We charged at an Ionity station the other day and it was below freezing and the car was charging at 100kW so it seems to be working as last year it was half that.

Also the graphic on the app has never indicated it’s pre-conditioning showing the animated green battery it’s always black
 
#6 ·
A few people have said they do not see the heater element graphic but they do know the pre con is working as they can see the extra consumption in the battery car section of the display that shows usage. (I cannot remember exactly where that is!)
 
#5 ·
From the statement above it would seem that you have to actually drive towards a DC charger that is set in the Nav to see if it works.
FYI, preconditioning can be initiated and maintained while the car is parked. As long as the selected DC charger is roughly within 50km or so in range it will continue to heat the battery in the stationary vehicle until the coldest battery module hits 20-21C setpoint. The heater will continue to function in excess of hour+ depending how cold soaked the battery is. For example it took my car an hour to go from -15C to 12C. Also below -20C ambient temperature the 6kW battery heater has a hard time keeping up with thermal losses from the uninsulated battery pack while at highway speeds, i.e. its virtually impossible to arrive at a DC charger with optimum 25C pack temperature when its - 25C ambient.
 
#10 ·
  • I set the DC fast charger as my destination (about a 2 hour journey). Ambient temperature was about 10 degrees C. Departure was 100% SOC.
  • about 30 mins out, I saw a little notification pop up in the place where you see the music artist+title when using android auto (bottom centre of display), but only for a few seconds before disappearing.
  • the little twirly icon appeared on the battery and stayed there.
  • 'battery care' was consuming around 4.5KW
  • about 1 minute from arrival, another notification popped up saying preconditioning had completed (same place, then disappeared).
  • twirly icon on the battery disappeared.
  • 'battery care' consumption dropped to 0KW.

SOC was 32%. Plugged in and saw 220KW after a couple of minutes.
 
#9 ·
I got the pre-conditioning software update installed today and tested it on the way home from the dealership. I set the onboard navigation to a nearby DC fast charger as my destination. Within about a minute, I saw the battery heater kick-in.
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#22 · (Edited)
If you mostly charge at home or at work on a Level 2 AC charger you don't need to do anything. Otherwise you just enable the pre-conditioning option once and forget it. It won't activate until you have a DC fast charger set as your destination in the onboard navigation system and the weather is cooler.
Much of this stuff is far easier than it initially sounds. There are a few things, particularly DC fast charging, that are different from filling the tank on your gas vehicle. It is different but not difficult.
 
#26 ·
I had my Pre Conditioning update done yesterday (UK and no charge). The ‘Winter Mode’ option has now changed to the ‘Pre Conditioning Option” so it looks OK. However, I want to test it.
Can I ask where you got it done? My dealer want to charge £395 for it - says it is a 3 hour labour job, which I find ridiculous. Especially where the Battery Heating was specified in my purchase order...
 
#29 ·
Again I dint have my car yet so maybe I don't understand but you can't just turn on preconditioning?
You have to enter a destination software first?
Programming engineers, for this and any car, need to drive the car (and maybe have a non tech family member) for a couple of months then finish the programming.
Guaranteed this was a business decision. There was most likely a deal made with the nav map provider to use their system and the in-house nav over any other (Google or Apple). Creating a simple button to turn on preconditioning is too obvious, simple, and cheaper to develop for Hyundai to not do this. What they created must have cost them much more money to develop. I doubt the product managers would have allowed this unless the business side said to do this.