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I took my Ioniq 5 on our first road trip this weekend. I've road-tripped my Tesla Model 3 many times - both shorter, local trips, as well as longer trips (Quebec, Texas, Florida, New England, etc.). So I have some idea of how to road trip an EV, but the CCS1 charging experience was going to be new for me. We went from Pittsburgh PA to Ithaca NY. Weather was right around freezing, and it was lightly snowing for the entire trip up. I planned to be fairly conservative on the way up - I charged more than ABRP suggested, and I charged at three locations instead of just the two it suggested.

Here's how it went.

Charging Stop #1: Electrify America, Erie PA
28 minutes, 38% to 90%
Stations #2 and #3 were listed as 350kW. I first tried plugging into station #2, and couldn't get it to start. The cords for station #3 were laying on the ground, so I assumed someone had done that because it wasn't working. The EA app listed station #4 as not working. So I moved to station #1, which was only listed as 150kW. But that worked well, and I got 129kW from that one.
This one was located in a Walmart parking lot, so that made for an easy bio break.

Charging Stop #2: EVolve NY, Salamanca NY (Shell Recharge)
34 minutes, 50% to 92%
This charging location wasn't available in the car's navigation, so I couldn't precondition. Charging started around 40kW, raised to 90kW after 10 minutes, then 130kW after 15 minutes.
This one was located in a parking lot of a small Bingo Hall/Casino. It was early morning, and it wasn't open yet. There was a McDonalds across the street, so that worked for a bio break.

Charging Stop #3: EVolve NY, Bath NY (Shell Recharge)
13 minutes, 49% to 74%
One station is listed as 350kW. I tried it twice, and it wouldn't work. I moved to a second station, and that one also didn't work. Luckily, the third station I tried worked for me. It was maxing out around 120kW.
The location was odd. It was a parking lot behind a lot of businesses. The one gas station with a convenience store nearby had lots of signs saying that bathrooms were for customers only.

Other points worth mentioning about this trip:

1. It's really disconcerting that one or two out of a total of four stations is often not working. And while the various apps will sometimes show you when a station is out-of-order, they often don't.

2. While at the third charging stop, I received an email from my credit card company about suspicious activity. They said I had five different $60 charges from "Zeco Systems" within the past hour! I told them I didn't recognize the charges, but I suspected it was some kind of a mistake. So they said my card would be "on hold" until I contacted Zeco Systems and either resolved the issue with them, or call Citi back and have them cancel my card and issue new ones. I called Zeco's number later that afternoon, and it was answered as Shell Recharge! Apparently, every attempt to charge - including when the station fails to start and I have to move to another station - results in them putting a $60 hold on your card. Then they are supposed to release that hold and charge the actual amount later. I wish I had known that ahead of time. It's now two days later. Shell Recharge has sent me emails with the amount I will actually be charged for my charging sessions, pretty much immediately after each charging session. But I still have all of those holds (six of them now) on my card, but no adjusted charges.

3. Between my conservative approach to charging, slower-than-expected charging rates, and having to try several stations to find one that works, this trip took a whole hour longer than ABRP predicted (7h10m vs 6h10m).

4. The car was performing a lot better than ABRP predicted. I consistently arrived with higher SOC than ABRP predicted. So that gave me confidence to ride the bottom-half of the battery on my return trip. That went more smoothly. I'll write a followup post with that experience.

5. I wish the car gave expected battery SOC upon arrival at each destination. This is a Tesla feature that I've found very useful over the years. It's like a last-minute ABRP calculation for each leg of the trip. It makes it easier to avoid charging more than needed at each stop.

6. One really annoying thing about the car: in near-freezing snow/rain, it builds up ice VERY quickly on the front end. This blocks the radar. When the radar is blocked, the car doesn't allow cruise control. There's not an option to have dumb cruise control. During this trip, I would clear the slushy ice from the front of the car at every charging stop, but the radar would disable as soon as 5 minutes into the next leg of the trip.
 

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If you get an OBDII dongle ABRP will use live data and update as you drive. Also if you run into a charger that is not on the map you can sometimes fake out preconditioning by telling it you are going to a different nearby charger. It would be really nice if you could manually engage pre-conditioning. Often times I find the slow charge rate is not due to the car, rather it is the chargers. I charged on a EA 350 and had the car preconditioned but it never went above 135KW. Other times using that same charger I got rates that hit 241 KW.
 

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I tried ABRP a trip NJ VT and I found it a PITA. Trying adjusting the slider for more/less frequent stops kept making big changes in where to stop. Also even if I had saved a trip with X stops. If I played around with the frequency the saved trips changed. I have up when on the at back it flat out said I could only get 165 miles between chargers if I did 65 mph. There was no way that was correct and was not. It was 100% flat road.
 

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Agree that charging speeds are often the result of the chargers. I preconditioned this week and visited a nearby EA station where I usually get 200kw to 240kw charges. I was only getting 140kw. I was thinking that perhaps I didn't have enough time to fully precondition, but then a Rivian owner beside of me asked me what my speeds were because he was only getting 90kw.

Then I thought perhaps we were "power sharing" even though he was on a different dispenser. I finished first, and pulled over and parked. The Rivian did not speed up after I finished, so apparently the 350kw chargers were maxing out around 150kw at that time.
 

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There are learning curves with CCS and road trips, I will respond to your points in order:
1. Use plugshare to determine if stations are working or not, it is more reliable than the individual apps.

2. Do not use a credit card at the machines, always sign up for plans and use the applicable apps for charging stations. You will get better rates and not have all of the authorizations.

3. This is one you will eventually learn how to work and reduce times.

4. Use an OBDII dongles with ABRP and it will monitor in real time, use ABRP premium and it will even adjust for stations going down or being busy and automatically reroute accordingly.

5. Again, the OBDII dongles combined with ABRP will help with this.

6. This one I can't really attest to, as I have not driven in such conditions.
 

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6. One really annoying thing about the car: in near-freezing snow/rain, it builds up ice VERY quickly on the front end. This blocks the radar. When the radar is blocked, the car doesn't allow cruise control. There's not an option to have dumb cruise control. During this trip, I would clear the slushy ice from the front of the car at every charging stop, but the radar would disable as soon as 5 minutes into the next leg of the trip.
I suspect this is an issue with most vehicles and not specific to the Ioniq 5. It certainly happens with our 2020 Toyota Tacoma.
 

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I suspect this is an issue with most vehicles and not specific to the Ioniq 5. It certainly happens with our 2020 Toyota Tacoma.
This would sometimes happen with my Tesla too, but not nearly as often. Something about the Ioniq 5's frontend design turns the radar and headlight section into a slush/ice collector.

I still wish the car could revert to non-adaptive cruise control when this happens.
 

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This would sometimes happen with my Tesla too, but not nearly as often. Something about the Ioniq 5's frontend design turns the radar and headlight section into a slush/ice collector.

I still wish the car could revert to non-adaptive cruise control when this happens.
I prefer not to use cruise control or other driver assist functions when the roads are wet or icy.
 

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I tried ABRP a trip NJ VT and I found it a PITA. Trying adjusting the slider for more/less frequent stops kept making big changes in where to stop. Also even if I had saved a trip with X stops. If I played around with the frequency the saved trips changed. I have up when on the at back it flat out said I could only get 165 miles between chargers if I did 65 mph. There was no way that was correct and was not. It was 100% flat road.
Really? It was very accurate for me, Southern NJ to northern VT. I was using the OBD dongle though. Took 3 stops total, two deep charges 10-80 and another 20-70 to make it.
 

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Really? It was very accurate for me, Southern NJ to northern VT. I was using the OBD dongle though. Took 3 stops total, two deep charges 10-80 and another 20-70 to make it.
Was not using a dongle so no live data. ARBP on the first leg from Lebanon NH to (I forgot what was the charger) indicated the 165 @ 65 MPH for whatever reason. Whatever. I did 3 stops. Chicopee, Kearney NJ, Brunswick looking at my EA charges.

What part of S NJ? I'm in Marlton.
 

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...So that gave me confidence to ride the bottom-half of the battery on my return trip. That went more smoothly. I'll write a followup post with that experience.
Here's the promised follow-up post.

I left Ithaca with a pretty full battery - about 93%. ABRP suggested that I could skip Bath NY and go straight to the Salamanca stations, so that's what I did.

Charging Stop #1: EVolve NY, Salamanca NY (Shell Recharge)
19 minutes, 27% to 50%
Once again, this charging location wasn't available in the car's navigation, so I couldn't precondition. Charging maxed out around 70kW over the whole session. That was disappointing. This stop could have been completed in half the time at 150kW.

Charging Stop #2: Electrify America, Erie PA
29 minutes, 12% to 80%
I went with station #3 (350kW). I was able to precondition for it, but it still took quite a while (10 minutes?) to ramp up. It eventually reached 150kW, which is the best rate I've ever been able to achieve with this vehicle. I didn't need to charge very long just to reach home, but I figured that as long as I was getting 140-150kW, I might as well make use of my entire free EA 30-minute session.

Since I felt more comfortable letting the battery get lower, I was able to make it home in 6h10m. This matched ABRP's prediction, and was an hour quicker than the outgoing drive. It also helped my enjoyment that it wasn't snowing or raining, therefore I had cruise control available for the entire drive. I'm pretty happy with the car (sans the radar issue), but the CCS1 charging network needs a serious overhaul. Between non-functioning chargers and chargers that never seem to reach the peak power levels that they are supposedly capable of achieving, it's been a great disappointment.
 

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Was not using a dongle so no live data. ARBP on the first leg from Lebanon NH to (I forgot what was the charger) indicated the 165 @ 65 MPH for whatever reason. Whatever. I did 3 stops. Chicopee, Kearney NJ, Brunswick looking at my EA charges.

What part of S NJ? I'm in Marlton.
I'm near swedesboro - I usually do Stratford Square, then Chicopee Marketplace, then the West Lebanon EA or the Chargepoint around the corner if West Lebanon is too packed/broken.
 

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There are learning curves with CCS and road trips, I will respond to your points in order:
1. Use plugshare to determine if stations are working or not, it is more reliable than the individual apps.

2. Do not use a credit card at the machines, always sign up for plans and use the applicable apps for charging stations. You will get better rates and not have all of the authorizations.

3. This is one you will eventually learn how to work and reduce times.

4. Use an OBDII dongles with ABRP and it will monitor in real time, use ABRP premium and it will even adjust for stations going down or being busy and automatically reroute accordingly.

5. Again, the OBDII dongles combined with ABRP will help with this.

6. This one I can't really attest to, as I have not driven in such conditions.
I am trying to understand the exchange and I cannot follow because I don’t understand the terms and acronyms. Please recommend a basic source that explains: plugshare, CCS, OBDII dongles, ABRP. THANKS.
 

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I am trying to understand the exchange and I cannot follow because I don’t understand the terms and acronyms. Please recommend a basic source that explains: plugshare, CCS, OBDII dongles, ABRP. THANKS.
plugshare, - app: (very good app)
  • provides information and status on EV charging stations
  • charger locations
  • directions and route planning

- CCS: charger plug standard

- OBDII: onboard diagnostic standard for vehicles adopted in the 90s via plug under the dash via a reader or scan tool

- dongles: a plug in device that can provide Bluetooth vehicle information to various apps

ABRP: a better route planner. App that can provide route planning to chargers. Can take into account the specific vehicle range and road conditions Via a single it can look at live vehicle battery information for better range estimates

(google is you friend for additional information)
 

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plugshare, - app: (very good app)
  • provides information and status on EV charging stations
  • charger locations
  • directions and route planning

- CCS: charger plug standard

- OBDII: onboard diagnostic standard for vehicles adopted in the 90s via plug under the dash via a reader or scan tool

- dongles: a plug in device that can provide Bluetooth vehicle information to various apps

ABRP: a better route planner. App that can provide route planning to chargers. Can take into account the specific vehicle range and road conditions Via a single it can look at live vehicle battery information for better range estimates

(google is you friend for additional information)
Neil, thank you for the very quick response and good info.
 
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