[Rp17]

Looks like we might be getting digital keys on iOS finally.

Apple Preparing to Add Support for Digital Car Keys on Hyundai and BYD Vehicles

Apple is preparing to begin supporting digital car keys in the Wallet app for two new car brands: Hyundai and BYD. The feature allows users to lock,...

www.macrumors.com

 

[Robocheme]

That's great news, but from the pic, it looks like you have to pull your iPhone out of your pocket to unlock the door. I was hoping that it would work like the fob and I wouldn't have to reach into my pocket.
With my Tesla, I don't use a fob and I can leave my phone in my pocket. Hopefully, Hyundai's version works like that.
Can anyone verify how it will work?

 

[Rp17]

That's great news, but from the pic, it looks like you have to pull your iPhone out of your pocket to unlock the door. I was hoping that it would work like the fob and I wouldn't have to reach into my pocket.
With my Tesla, I don't use a fob and I can leave my phone in my pocket. Hopefully, Hyundai's version works like that.
Can anyone verify how it will work?

It does say in the article it’ll unlock on approach so it should work the same I would think

 

[Rp17]

It does say in the article it’ll unlock on approach so it should work the same I would think

That's great news, but from the pic, it looks like you have to pull your iPhone out of your pocket to unlock the door. I was hoping that it would work like the fob and I wouldn't have to reach into my pocket.
With my Tesla, I don't use a fob and I can leave my phone in my pocket. Hopefully, Hyundai's version works like that.
Can anyone verify how it will work?

It looks like that is ultra wideband phones to clarify. So iPhone 11 and up I believe

 

[williamwu1985]

you are correct, but it is not for ioniq 5 or at least it is not for 2022 model year. It is for Genesis GV60

 

[Cheswick]

you are correct, but it is not for ioniq 5 or at least it is not for 2022 model year. It is for Genesis GV60

The article in question specifically says Hyundai, mentioning genesis and Kia have already been added to whatever this database is they’re looking at.

Androids digital key is already available on some Hyundai models. It’s probably safe to assume this will apply to those models. Tech is essentially the same.

 

[zack95]

I think this might be for limited 2022 potentially, and SEL & Limited 2023, as they are gaining NFC handle chip. Let’s hope.
I don’t think 2022 SE/SEL have the NFC chip in the door handle. I hope I’m wrong, as I’m about to purchase a 2022 SEL. But we’ll see.

 

[crisss1205]

The article in question specifically says Hyundai, mentioning genesis and Kia have already been added to whatever this database is they’re looking at.

Androids digital key is already available on some Hyundai models. It’s probably safe to assume this will apply to those models. Tech is essentially the same.

Yes, but nowhere does it say it is coming to existing cars. The 2022 IONIQ 5 does not have UWB so it will not support the proximity based digital Car Key. If it gets supported at all, it will only work with NFC which requires you to tap the door like Android or Apple Pay.

 

[etonduf]

Yes, but nowhere does it say it is coming to existing cars. The 2022 IONIQ 5 does not have UWB so it will not support the proximity based digital Car Key. If it gets supported at all, it will only work with NFC which requires you to tap the door like Android or Apple Pay.

You have to drill through a couple of links, but there is a list of compatible cars that includes the '22 Ioniq 5:

[deleted] - an article on the site claims to link to a list of car key vehicles, but the list is actually Car Play compatibility.

Make of that what you will, of course--who knows?

 

[crisss1205]

You have to drill through a couple of links, but there is a list of compatible cars that includes the '22 Ioniq 5:

iOS - CarPlay - Available Models

Find out which automobile manufacturers currently offer or are planning to introduce models that support CarPlay.

www.apple.com

Make of that what you will, of course--who knows?

Uhh, where does it say that? That is just a list of cars that supports CarPlay. We know it supports CarPlay. We are talking about Car Key.

 

[etonduf]

Uhh, where does it say that? That is just a list of cars that supports CarPlay. We know it supports CarPlay. We are talking about Car Key.

headsmack I wasn't paying attention, you're right of course! The link describes it as a list of car key compatible vehicles, but obviously the list is car play. I'll update my previous post.

 

[crisss1205]

headsmack I wasn't paying attention, you're right of course! The link describes it as a list of car key compatible vehicles, but obviously the list is car play. I'll update my previous post.

Technically it does show Car Key compatibility too, but the IONIQ 5 is not listed. It would need to have the Key icon next to the name.

 

[ikash]

I think this might be for limited 2022 potentially, and SEL & Limited 2023, as they are gaining NFC handle chip. Let’s hope.
I don’t think 2022 SE/SEL have the NFC chip in the door handle. I hope I’m wrong, as I’m about to purchase a 2022 SEL. But we’ll see.

NFC is not sufficient for unlock on approach. It's in the name: "near field communication". NFC requires the distance between the tag and the reader to be about an inch.

True walk-up unlock using a phone key requires either BLE (this is what Tesla's phone key implementation on 3/Y/2022 S/X uses), or UWB (this is what Genesis uses for GV60). Neither the 2022 nor the 2023 Hi5 has been announced to include the required hardware for either of those.

 

[Robocheme]

NFC is not sufficient for unlock on approach. It's in the name: "near field communication". NFC requires the distance between the tag and the reader to be about an inch.

True walk-up unlock using a phone key requires either BLE (this is what Tesla's phone key implementation on 3/Y/2022 S/X uses), or UWB (this is what Genesis uses for GV60). Neither the 2022 nor the 2023 Hi5 has been announced to include the required hardware for either of those.

What do Android phones use? BLE or UWB?

 

[crisss1205]

What do Android phones use? BLE or UWB?

Neither, they use NFC.

 

[PaulZooms]

Neither, they use NFC.

OMG! You have to actually take it OUT of your pocket? And here I was hoping for something more automagic.

FWIW, I enjoy my NFC credit card key when I don’t wish to carry a FOB. iPhone NFC would do the same trick with one less thing to carry. Hopefully it will work through my Otterbox case. I don’t mind taking the phone out of my pocket, but taking it out of the case is more of a PITA.


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[Robocheme]

Neither, they use NFC.

Wow, looks like my dream of unlocking and locking my I5 with my iPhone in my pocket is looking dimmer each day. Why didn't Hyundai just use BLE like Tesla did?
Does the fob use something altogether different?

 

[IoniqInDK]

Wow, looks like my dream of unlocking and locking my I5 with my iPhone in my pocket is looking dimmer each day. Why didn't Hyundai just use BLE like Tesla did?
Does the fob use something altogether different?

Saw a video from Hyundai stating that they think BLE is unsafe as it is not possible to encrypt properly.

 

[crisss1205]

Wow, looks like my dream of unlocking and locking my I5 with my iPhone in my pocket is looking dimmer each day. Why didn't Hyundai just use BLE like Tesla did?
Does the fob use something altogether different?

I'm guessing the 2023 may use the same UWB tech that the GV60 uses. That supports newer iPhones and Samsung phones.

 

[ikash]

I'm guessing the 2023 may use the same UWB tech that the GV60 uses. That supports newer iPhones and Samsung phones.

It’s not mentioned in dealer spec sheets for MY2023.
So unless Hyundai decided to not announce it for some reason (doubtful, since they specifically called out NFC for SEL trim), it’s not happening.