[civoMT]

I would like to share my impressions and thoughts after 2 months of using Ionic 5.

First of all I am owner of 4WD version with 72.6kWh and 20'' wheels.

1. Driving and acceleration
Even the car itself is not from "sport" category, the driving experiences are pretty impressive. I don't have any issues with acceleration and even if I am playing around with some other cars, they cannot catch me and always stay far behind - of course don't compare it with tesla
Now as a winter is comming, I changed my tyres for Pirelli Scorpion Winter. Tyres itself are not directly designed for EV, but the driving is pretty OK. Why pretty Ok? Well, to be honest, when I was using defualt tyres, I felt car more handlable, now, if you are going a bit faster (highways etc.) I can feel the car is a bit "floating around". On another hand, consumption didn't changed that much. Autopilot is working quite well even in the city, not only on the highways, tempomat / distance checking and breaking as well + everything can be customized based on your own preferences or driving mode.
2. Consumption and range
Lets be fair. This point is a bit disappointment for me. Since I bought the car, I made more than 13K km and my avarage range is around 230-250km when battery is fully charged. Of course, display will show to you something around 300km, but for real, if you wanna have this value, your speed should be around 80km/h. So what about consumption? Well - if I am driving within the city (50km max speed), my avarage is around 17kWh/100km with running recuperation. On the normal roads (90km max speed) it is around 23kWh and on the highways (130max) it is around 32kWh/100km what is not so good. So In real, for example if you need to go via the highway, it is pretty common that you will recharge every 150km. According to hyundai specs. I was expecting better values.
3. Reacharging
Good / Bad? Well, at this point I don't know. I noticed bit issues in here. If I am trying to charge on Ionity with 350kW chargers, my maximum speed what I ever had was 219kW. Most of the time it is around 79kW - yes 79kW on 350kW charger. At some point, car can make around 150 for maybe 2 mins when battery is around 60% and thats it. The same problem have also another Ionic 5 user who I know. I don't know if this is just SW or HW issue, but definetlly it is an issue. BUT if I am going to charge my car on 150kW station - the speed of charging is constantly moving between 110 - 149kW. What is pretty strange - as these are pretty real values for 150kW charging station. For this reason I think this could be some SW issue with some protocols when using 350kW. It doesn't matter if car is cold or after some drag race...it is still the same. Thoughts?
4. Exterier / Interier
Full points for this. It is my own opinion, but if I compare Ionic 5 with ID4 or Q4 eTron, Ionic 5 looks just amazing. Seats are more comfortable as well and audio or silence in the cabin is also on great level. Led background with ambiente lights are nice.
5. AR display
Nice functionality, you can see basically every information on your AR display - for example navigation with AR are pretty handy and addictive to use - so big plus for these as well .
Conclusion
I like the car, definetly, technologies what are inside are impressive and design language is far away from anything else what you can see right now. Minus points - charging and range.

So that's it, that's my impressions, let me know what do you think, or what should I change to get more from this car

 

[Hansel]

Great review civoMT, thanks for sharing!

As I am currently waiting for my Ioniq 5 to be delivered, I cannot give any feedback. However, I am quite impressed, but on the flip side, about the consumption. I find it astonishing the consumption rate of 32 KWh when cruising around 130 kmh. That´s insanely high!! Luckily it won´t affect me since my intended use will be for short range go-to-work drives, and I will be recharging every day at home with solar power.... But it is remarkably high!!

 

[Karlos]

Nice summary,
I can only agree.
Recuperation settings I would say are little bit overcomplicated I think I counted 9 different MODES where 2 or 3 would be more than enopugh if well designed and thought through *(software). Automatic recup does not seem to follow the road profile and slow down accordingly before roundabout, neither it cares about speed limits, only changes based on cars or obstacles infront of you or road descent.
Design: despite I was excited about it, I find large door especially in the back a challenge to access, exit the car in tight spaces ( garage, parking ) you really have to open it wider than standard car .. on driver door it is normal situation just manipulating child into seat or getting my bag from rear seats I find more likely to hit the wall or car next to me if not careful.
I'd rather would not have BOSE box in the trunk!!. worst part of the car design is probably to trunk cover curtain ... adjustable rear seat, heated, ventilation in front seats very good. They did not included sliding central console in my spec, which is a bummer, I woul recommend it especially if your seat is rather adjusted far from steering wheel.
Consumption: I can not report such a bad numbers, but you bought AWD also you have 20'' and you are writing this autumn/winter time probably quite chill in Finland. My consumption is also higher than expected, but if outside temperature is low computer calculates the loss quite agressively, I can say that for me at the end of mix trip highway + 90 roads total range corresponds +/- 10 km to what was estimated when I start the car... (@80% - +/-350km ) I find the heater being also quite strong especially after start and there is no ECO settings for slower ramp-up so it is good for comfort but will take toll on range ( I am keeping it on 19C otherwise it is too hot ) also "driver only" mode you must turn on manually so you might be loosing some heat for nothing if driving alone.. so doing several trips with longer breaks I am loosing quite a range due to heating ( outside 7 C currently and wet roads all the time)
Worst bummer in Belgium/Luxembourg : you can not subscribe for CHARGE myHyundai service and subsequently you can not get IONITY preferential rates (for 13eur per month) , so no 350kW charging below 0,79c, this really disapoints me (provided app in Benelux is such a SUB-STANDARD - in nice words ) .. BTW 220 kW is the max spec. at least I din not hear about anyone else going above 220kW .. it also does not hold it for too long. but that's same for MAX DC chnarge on all cars... ( don't forget limit is your car, you can be on 1MW charger the battery will only take what it take or BMS software says )

thanks for your post, in any case... I would still recomend the car, small things and annoying desiner choices I find on each car, especially painfull when changing brands... ( ex e-Golf )

 

[projix]

Your range problem is due to the 20". With the 19" you get 300km at 120-130 km/h. That is why I changed my 20" for the 19"...
If you fit studded winter tyres it's going to be even worse.

Also performance is good, but definitely nothing earth shattering. My Audi S8 is much faster after 40km/h, and much faster right from the get-go with launch control.

 

[civoMT]

Nice thoughts!.
About the Recuperation settings. What do you mean with 9 different modes? A am aware only with 4 of them -0,1,2,3 while 0 is no recuperation accepted. Or did I miss something? Also I noticed that if you use recuperation on the highest, acceleration of the car is a bit slower - tried it with sport mode and I am getting about 0.5s slower time compared to recuperation at 0.
Yesterday I was speeking with my car dealer and guys you were right, the maximum speed for 72.6KWh battery is 225KWh, anyway the avarage speed with optimal condition for fast chargers schould be around 150KWh - what is pretty big differences that what I am getting. I charged my car multiple times but still I would say that my avarage for fast chargers (350KW stations) is around 70KWh - so basically half of the value like he said to me. Does any of you noticed something similiar?

 

[Karlos]

What do you mean with 9 different modes? A am aware only with 4 of them -0,1,2,3 while 0 is no recuperation accepted

controlled through the pedals under steering wheel you have : 0, 1,2,3 Lev ( manual ) hold Right Pedal you have AUTO 1,2,3 (no number just blue recup icon bottom line indicator changes), holding left pedal you get MAX mode while holding and all the way left pedal ( 4x I think) you activate i-Pedal = so total 9 modes . [ you can control strenght of "Smart recuperation" in Settings menu in that case lowest setting could equal "Coasting mode" if AUTO in minimal level ( is slows down 1km/h per 90 to 100m distance )

Regarding Charging : your MAX would ever be 220kW on 350kW charger, but only short time. Check charging curve on Fastned web page or average charging values on EVdatabase. For example Youtube : TeslaBjorn (1000km challenge) confirmed in video that if battery temperature is not ideal (too cold or too hot ) charging can drastically slow down . But other people on forum also already complained about this.

 

[projix]

Nice thoughts!.
About the Recuperation settings. What do you mean with 9 different modes? A am aware only with 4 of them -0,1,2,3 while 0 is no recuperation accepted. Or did I miss something? Also I noticed that if you use recuperation on the highest, acceleration of the car is a bit slower - tried it with sport mode and I am getting about 0.5s slower time compared to recuperation at 0.
Yesterday I was speeking with my car dealer and guys you were right, the maximum speed for 72.6KWh battery is 225KWh, anyway the avarage speed with optimal condition for fast chargers schould be around 150KWh - what is pretty big differences that what I am getting. I charged my car multiple times but still I would say that my avarage for fast chargers (350KW stations) is around 70KWh - so basically half of the value like he said to me. Does any of you noticed something similiar?

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Exactly same issue for me.

Until Hyundai implement the ability to pre-heat the battery, this is how it is going to be. I also have average charging speed of 70-80 kW, not more in current weather. By the time (22 minutes!) it ramps up to higher speed you already added 30% at 40-60 kW...
It's 40-60 kW until battery is 15C, only after that you get full speed, which takes forever because the battery on this car is always cold.

You will get the fast speed only in late spring, summer and early autumn in our climate. Rest of time it charges like a ID3. Hoping if enough people in colder climate complain they will implement the pre-heating... as it's purely a software thing.

 

[ArizonaJon]

You keep pushing me toware Tesa. Stop.

 

[J333]

You keep pushing me toware Tesa. Stop.

I am having regrets not buying the model Y last December when it was around $49k and my state tax credits were $1500 higher. Part of me would have hated myself, but the other part…😆

 

[projix]

The Model Y has horrible suspension, there is no regeneration options (it's always full on, unless you get the performance model), the cabin materials are much worse, no ventilation or perforation for the seat resulting in a sweaty back after an hour or two, and it's much more expensive over here. The last point probably not valid in the US though.

Also this is subjective but MY looks like a soapbox whereas the I5 has pretty eye catching design (at the price of efficiency though). Get the Model 3 or Model S instead if you want to go for Tesla. The Y rides way too harsh for what it is.

 

[Mike R]

Also this is subjective but MY looks like a soapbox whereas the I5 has pretty eye catching design (at the price of efficiency though).

Purely subjective of course but the M3 jelly mould shape reminds me of the old Austin Morris Minor.

 

[civoMT]

Until Hyundai implement the ability to pre-heat the battery, this is how it is going to be. I also have average charging speed of 70-80 kW, not more in current weather. By the time (22 minutes!) it ramps up to higher speed you already added 30% at 40-60 kW...
It's 40-60 kW until battery is 15C, only after that you get full speed, which takes forever because the battery on this car is always cold.

What do you mean. you can run "snow mode" and your battery will be pre-heating, but your range will be even lower because of that.

 

[Kirkg13]

If you run "snow mode" and the battery temp is low/cold, will it heat the battery so that it will be at a good temp for when you are ready to charge it, giving you a much faster charging rate? Even though you'll have drained the battery a bit more getting it warmed up?

Is there any smart logic to know that if your destination is a charging station, to do that automatically somehow, or would you manually turn on snow mode to initiate the battery warming when you are 15/30/45 minutes from getting to a charging station?

I'm new at this, with an I5 on order, so don't really know much about how this works...

 

[projix]

What do you mean. you can run "snow mode" and your battery will be pre-heating, but your range will be even lower because of that.

Winter mode it's called. And no, it does absolutely nothing at 0C. Maybe at colder temperatures it will start to do something.
You can test - turn it on, if outside is 2-4C like it is now, then you will have same exact range and same exact (slow) charging speed.

If you run "snow mode" and the battery temp is low/cold, will it heat the battery so that it will be at a good temp for when you are ready to charge it, giving you a much faster charging rate? Even though you'll have drained the battery a bit more getting it warmed up?

Past some point probably, but not at 0C. And at 0C the charging speed is 2x slower already than at 15C because it spends over 20 minutes to heat the battery once it starts charging.

 

[civoMT]

Winter mode it's called. And no, it does absolutely nothing at 0C. Maybe at colder temperatures it will start to do something.
You can test - turn it on, if outside is 2-4C like it is now, then you will have same exact range and same exact (slow) charging.

I just come back from the charging station, I Was in there with another guy - he is from different city and we made a test. Car was showing 0° degree celsius and I was using "winter mode" - sorry I am not using english in my car and you were right it is winter mode my bad 🙂. I started my charging with 12% of battery remaining. After 6 min I got 72KW charging speed and after 15mins I got 117KW, he got after 15mins 39KW. My maximum was 144KWh. Both of us were charging at the same time, but different stations of course. So "winter mode" is working - at least it was working now. I will test it during the weekend as well. I left it as turned on as I didn't noticed any differences in the range, even car showed to me notification about "possible lower range" + I can see the same in "settings for EV".

 

[projix]

For me with winter mode on even after 15 mins I had max 60 kW last time and 40 kW the time before that.
This is also noted by a few reviewers on YouTube.

 

[Zuinige Rijder]

Worst bummer in Belgium/Luxembourg : you can not subscribe for CHARGE myHyundai service and subsequently you can not get IONITY preferential rates (for 13eur per month) , so no 350kW charging below 0,79c, this really disapoints me (provided app in Benelux is such a SUB-STANDARD - in nice words )

In the Netherlands "charge myHyundai" is just announced, charging at IONITY for 0.29 EUR/kWh for 12 months for IONIQ 5 owners and 24 months for IONIQ 5 PROJECT45 owners. Maybe this will also come to Belgium/Luxembourg?

 

[Bushtuckerman]

I am just wondering ,
You said that the car feeling sluggish with your normal winter car tyres, did you check if you're tyres are suitable for the weight of the car !!!??? , there are specific winter tyres for ev's because of their weight of the battery and friction on the rim's. The sides of the tyres are reinforced and can handle the AWD ev power.

 

[Bushtuckerman]

I am just wondering ,
You said that the car feeling sluggish with your normal winter car tyres, did you check if you're tyres are suitable for the weight of the car !!!??? , there are specific winter tyres for ev's because of their weight of the battery and friction on the rim's. The sides of the tyres are reinforced and can handle the AWD ev power.

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[projix]

I am just wondering ,
You said that the car feeling sluggish with your normal winter car tyres, did you check if you're tyres are suitable for the weight of the car !!!??? , there are specific winter tyres for ev's because of their weight of the battery and friction on the rim's. The sides of the tyres are reinforced and can handle the AWD ev power.

Come on, don't overdo this EV nonsense.
Tyres have a weight rating. Because the I5 uses a wheel/tyre size common on SUV's then you just get SUV tyres, which have XL weight rating.
An average big SUV does not weigh any less than an I5. So as long as you are paying attention to the tyre load bearing capacity (XL in this case), you are fine.
The 19" are 235/55/19", this is purely a SUV tyre and you will be hard pressed a tyre that is not rated XL.
The 20" are 245/45/20", again a SUV tyre, and almost all of them are XL.

Standard cars usually run 245/40 or 245/35, and that's where you might have trouble finding higher load bearing tyres.

This special EV tyre is a lot more relevant for EV's that run a more car like profile but have big batteries. Something like the Model 3 or Model S, the Porsche Taycan etc, because you are going to have a much harder time sourcing a tyre with XL load bearing rating.