[michaelf3]

That's an intelligent reply!

Gotta love fan boys who won't admit any flaws in a product.....eyeroll. You'd do well with the Tesla fanboys!

Yes, it is. You're the one that said it's dangerous, not me. I know the car's not perfect and has many things that can be improved, but I don't believe it's dangerous. I've learned to use what the car has to offer and use it safely. I still don't know why anyone would want to drive a car that is dangerous.

 

[mitchelled218]

Yes, it is. You're the one that said it's dangerous, not me. I know the car's not perfect and has many things that can be improved, but I don't believe it's dangerous. I've learned to use what the car has to offer and use it safely. I still don't know why anyone would want to drive a car that is dangerous.

Driving is dangerous. We don't need to make it any MORE dangerous because of stupid software designs. We see what that did with the 737Max!

Its not dangerous enough to warrant me stopping driving it, but it will result in a minor fender bender for some unlucky owner one of these days.

As the operator of the worlds largest jet boat forum, I can tell you that Hyundai monitors this forum and others for feedback, just like Yamaha monitors the forum I operate (they told me this in person when I attend their media previews and new boat media events). So I know they are reading this and taking notes. Hopefully its just a matter of time before they push a fix (hopefully before somone in the US sues them....or they just settle to fix the damage).

 

[michaelf3]

It's fine to say I would prefer this function to perform/operator this or that way. It's another to say it's dangerous because you or some don't like how it was designed. So many of us are using i-padel and driving everyday safely. It's one thing to make suggestions for improvement or state on how some functions work. Don't over state the seriousness of a function when it's not.

 

[Cariboospeed]

Another vote for staying in I pedal all the time. My Bolt EUV stayed in 1 Pedal, and I really liked it.

 

[AndersT2]

From what I heard, EPA (USA) requires vehicles to start in their most efficient setting if thats the mode it was tested in for fuel economy. In the Ioniq 5, that would be regen levels 0-3. It looks like there won't be a possibility of iPedal becoming a startup mode.

Shouldn't it then also start in Eco mode?

With my AWD version, I see that with i-Pedal, even in Eco mode it uses both motors all the time, and using regen 0-3 it uses both motors up to 2000rpm, and over that only the rear motor is used. So i-Pedal should be less efficient than the other ones with a AWD car.

 

[mitchelled218]

It's fine to say I would prefer this function to perform/operator this or that way. It's another to say it's dangerous because you or some don't like how it was designed. So many of us are using i-padel and driving everyday safely. It's one thing to make suggestions for improvement or state on how some functions work. Don't over state the seriousness of a function when it's not.

Sorry, but it IS dangerous to change the way a car drives without notifying the driver!!!! This is simple user interface design!!!! When driving a car (a deadly weapon) you don't turn off AUTO BREAKING without notifying the driver!!!!

So sorry you don't agree that this simple UI concept is sound and tested, but that doesn't make it right. NEVER EVER change a drive setting on me WHILE I'M STILL DRIVING THE CAR, WITHOUT WARNING ME!!!!! EVER!!!!

 

[michaelf3]

I don't agree. Here are some examples when you don't need to manually turn features off 1) So because you did not turn off charging, the battery should over charge and explode 2) auto headlight - because you didn't turn the headlight off, it should stay on and drain your 12v battery 3) because you didn't turn off your radio, it should stay on after turning your car off and drain your 12v battery. I can give you more examples by your definition that features should stay on until you intend to turn them off.

I do agree that the manufacturer could better operationally design some functions. Many of these functions are perferences. Some people like i-pedal to stay on all the time, some people don't or don't care. Some people like yellow headlights, some people like white. Guess when you own your own car company, you can design a car that has every feature for everyone. God forbid if any anyone doesn't like a feature because they feel it's dangerous.

Again, I've learned to drive the car safely with all of it's unperfect features. Been very happy with the car since day 1.

 

[Flybuddy]

I've gotten to the point where I'm surprised if I let my foot off the gas and I-pedal is working. Seriously though, if anyone has strong convictions about it being very unsafe, then don't use it. When public statements are made in writing it makes for a difficult legal aspect. When a defending attorney points to these statements and asks "if you felt this was so unsafe why did you continually use it?" How would you answer? It may not get the manufacturer off the hook for something unsafe but it would surely diminish the case and payout. While I don't like the current setup and would strongly prefer an I-pedal default, I don't believe it rises to the level of serious consequences.

 

[mitchelled218]

I don't agree. Here are some examples when you don't need to manually turn features off 1) So because you did not turn off charging, the battery should over charge and explode 2) auto headlight - because you didn't turn the headlight off, it should stay on and drain your 12v battery 3) because you didn't turn off your radio, it should stay on after turning your car off and drain your 12v battery. I can give you more examples by your definition that features should stay on until you intend to turn them off.

I do agree that the manufacturer could better operationally design some functions. Many of these functions are perferences. Some people like i-pedal to stay on all the time, some people don't or don't care. Some people like yellow headlights, some people like white. Guess when you own your own car company, you can design a car that has every feature for everyone. God forbid if any anyone doesn't like a feature because they feel it's dangerous.

Again, I've learned to drive the car safely with all of it's unperfect features. Been very happy with the car since day 1.

Those are some of the dumbest examples.....in fact, thanks or posting examples of User Interfaces that work well to support a driver. Each of these does something FOR a driver so he/she doesn't have to do something for themselves. The example we are talking about - Turning OFF I-Pedal when you reverse the car to turn around while dropping off someone....what exactly is this doing to HELP the driver? NOTHING. In fact, it is forcing the driver to turn something back ON that the car just decided on its own, for NO REASON, to turn off! Try again.

@Flybuddy I've never said that I personally would sue Hyundai over this, but speculate that if they don't fix it soon, someone will. And in particular, I'm talking about the part where the car turns off I-Pedal when you go into reverse. No change of driver, no parking, no stop.....I pull into a driveway to drop someone off, reverse out, and presto, it turned it off, changing how the car brakes without notifying me. There is no defense for this.

If I used @michaelf3 dumb examples, it would be like me turning on my headlights to auto, and when I back out of the driveway the car turns them off. Or I turn on my auto dimming headlights, and when I back out of the driveway, it turns auto dimming off.

 

[michaelf3]

Smarty pants, just sale your I5 and move on. Who's the dumb one that keeps drive their dangerous car.

 

[mitchelled218]

Smarty pants, just sale your I5 and move on. Who's the dumb one that keeps drive their dangerous car.

Nah, I'll just keep giving feedback to Hyundai and dealing with it. That is what one does....unless you are a fan boy and just put up with badly designed things. There aren't many that think this isn't poorly designed....

 

[rbdavis808]

I agree it's annoying that the car will not start/stay in iPedal as a default if that's the way you've been driving before reversing, parking, etc. I certainly wish that it did so and would encourage others to continue making noise to Hyundai about this minor but annoying shortcoming. That said, it does only revert to L3 (at least in my experience) which is the next best thing to iPedal and not dramatically different (as opposed to full-coast L0), so I think it's a stretch to say that it's a significant safety issue. If you consider it unacceptably dangerous then I'd suggest just staying in L3 all the time.

It may be that there is some drivetrain-related design issue that does not allow the car to go straight to iPedal from power-up, reverse, etc. I have noticed that sometimes in L3, shortly after driving away from the house, it will not allow me to switch to iPedal under certain conditions, almost always when I'm in the process of slowing for a stop sign or red light. The car displays a message about iPedal drive conditions not being met or some such. Rather than just being a stupid UI oversight to reset to L3 after reversing, etc., maybe that is happening because the car believes for whatever reason that iPedal conditions are not met then either. This still seems like a flaw of course, but it may be more complicated to fix from an engineering standpoint than many of us would wish.

 

[schettj]

And I would prefer it stay in AUTO regen but it defaults to last level regen on start. I haven’t noticed it dropping out of AUTO on reverse, I assume iPedal doesn’t function in reverse.

 

[michaelf3]

Mitch, you're funny. Instead of finding evidence that this isn't how hyundai intended ipedal to work, you resort to again calling me a fan boy. If this makes me a fan boy, so be it.

Keep showing your true color.

 

[7000mic]

We've just got to engineer a work-around. That work-around would leave the car in the last regen mode you used. It is a ROYAL pain in the butt to have to keep changing it to your favored regen mode. Product idea guys! Make an OBD2 dongle that did this.

 

[iengrave1]

Hello I do like drive with i-pedal but I don't find a setting where I can set i-pedal a dafault. Every time I turn the car on or have set it in park it goes back to level 3. Is there a way to change the dafault setting to i-pedal?

The default can not be changed to default to i-pedal according to page 6-18 of the owners manual.

 

[iengrave1]

The i-pedal can't be changed to default according to page 6-18 in the Owners Manual. This book is amazing, it contains all the answers to all the questions we ask and wonder about. Some answers are easier to find than others.

 

[Tell It Right]

It's way too funny, as someone who drove stick-shift manual transmission trucks/cars for many years, to read someone else complain about a car not doing every-little-feature automatically. LOL

I tend to prefer Level 1 when I have a passenger, and I-Pedal when driving solo. So I'm already in the mindset of setting the regen away from the default Level 3. As far as the "unsafe" aspect of it being in Level 3 when I want it in I-Pedal, IMHO the difference in the deceleration between the two settings when letting my foot off the accelerator isn't enough to be unsafe. It's not like we're talking about the difference between I-Pedal and Level 1.

 

[bitkahuna]

Driving is dangerous. We don't need to make it any MORE dangerous because of stupid software designs.

maybe there's some regulations governing this?

As the operator of the worlds largest jet boat forum, I can tell you that Hyundai monitors this forum and others for feedback, just like Yamaha monitors the forum I operate (they told me this in person when I attend their media previews and new boat media events). So I know they are reading this and taking notes. Hopefully its just a matter of time before they push a fix (hopefully before somone in the US sues them....or they just settle to fix the damage).

or maybe they see you're the only one calling the way it works as 'dangerous' and they don't worry about it.

Sorry, but it IS dangerous to change the way a car drives without notifying the driver!!!! This is simple user interface design!!!! When driving a car (a deadly weapon) you don't turn off AUTO BREAKING without notifying the driver!!!!

So sorry you don't agree that this simple UI concept is sound and tested, but that doesn't make it right. NEVER EVER change a drive setting on me WHILE I'M STILL DRIVING THE CAR, WITHOUT WARNING ME!!!!! EVER!!!!

do you use cruise control? climate control? do you turn off all the safety features like collision braking because it will brake in an emergency warning you at about the same time with beeps and lights?

 

[garsh]

maybe there's some regulations governing this?

I can't imagine that's true. Tesla's regen setting is "sticky".