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Brake lights issue with iPedal - recall?

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Youtube channel Technology Connections has just released a video about the worrisome fact that using iPedal (and other regen levels) does not trigger the braking lights properly.

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Interesting because I thought earlier tests by LemonTeaf Leaf in UK showed different results but maybe that was only pulling completely off the accelerator.
Since I primarily use Auto level 0 but completely remove my foot from the accelerator most of the time I may need do some more research.
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It's clear this person has never heard the term "engine braking" or ever driven a manual transmission car.
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It's clear this person has never heard the term "engine braking" or ever driven a manual transmission car.
Contrary to what your comment scoffs off, he does know about engine braking and downshifting a manual transmission.

In any case, he brings up a good, solid point. Brake lights SHOULD come on with enough decel, no matter if it comes from the friction brakes, the regen system, or the old-standard engine braking or downshifting a manual transmission. At least double-check and see what circumstances trigger the lamps

I know that with Virgil (my 2019 Ioniq 28kW Limited) when I'm on Regen 3 without Adaptive CC on the brake light doesn't light unless my foot is fully off the pedal, and if I press it lightly, the light near instantly turns off. And Regen 3 slows me down quicker than dropping from 5th gear to 3rd did in my old '99 Wrangler. (There was a time where she wouldn't shift into 4th gear at all, so I had to do a lot of skip-shifting. One bent shift fork and a throwout bearing later...)
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Contrary to what your comment scoffs off, he does know about engine braking and downshifting a manual transmission.

In any case, he brings up a good, solid point. Brake lights SHOULD come on with enough decel, no matter if it comes from the friction brakes, the regen system, or the old-standard engine braking or downshifting a manual transmission. At least double-check and see what circumstances trigger the lamps

I know that with Virgil (my 2019 Ioniq 28kW Limited) when I'm on Regen 3 without Adaptive CC on the brake light doesn't light unless my foot is fully off the pedal, and if I press it lightly, the light near instantly turns off. And Regen 3 slows me down quicker than dropping from 5th gear to 3rd did in my old '99 Wrangler. (There was a time where she wouldn't shift into 4th gear at all, so I had to do a lot of skip-shifting. One bent shift fork and a throwout bearing later...)
Given that all cars are required to meet national specifications before they can be registered I doubt the veracity of these claims. Moreover, when I have been able to observe the operation of the brake lights they appear to perform in the way I would expect.
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Given that all cars are required to meet national specifications before they can be registered I doubt the veracity of these claims. Moreover, when I have been able to observe the operation of the brake lights they appear to perform in the way I would expect.
If you watch the vid he dives into the specific wording of the laws that this falls under. I will note that in a comment he has pinned that there IS laws that take care of this in the EU that he missed in his research until late in the video, and he asks to be forgiven for missing it as he went more in depth in US federal law than he did on your side of the pond.

I also apologize if I am coming off as aggro. Current uptime is just ticking over 20 hours, and I've still got another 8 before I have a chance to get some sleep.
Gee I guess my 2000 Ford Focus 5 speed needs a recall. I've been using the engine to slow the car for 23 years. Not rear-ended yet. Most of my driving has been on busy roads.

The reality is that EVs can be better regarding brake lights than legacy ICE vehicles. The current signal is of a "brake on vehicle" , not a "decelerating vehicle" . If I have brakes on while sitting at a stop sign, my car isn't slowing, but my lights are on.

EV software can be changed in the future so that "brake lights" can go on a) when car is decelerating as well as b) when the driver has pressed the brake. Stand down from red alert.
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I fully agree with what was stated in this video, based on my testing with an OBD2 dongle. I don't use i-Pedal mode, but I have identified a concern with brake light behaviour under cruise control.

The brake lights can come on too frequently. Coming over gentle rise on a highway, the brake lights can activate, and stay on for ten seconds or more, when going down a gentle slope, even if the braking effect is less than level 1 regen braking! This is roughly similar to just coasting in an automatic. Following cars will not expect brake light activation in that situation, and may assume you are slowing significantly, when you aren't. The "crying wolf" scenario he mentioned in the video... This could lead to road rage.

The same can occur when slowly coming up on a car ahead - going at a constant speed - and cruise control "lifts off" the accelerator to avoid running into the car ahead. Brake lights activate, even if there is almost no braking effect, again less than level 1 regen. I believe activating brake lights in that specific scenario - very mild "slowing" - is a possible hazard.
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Tested the brake lights on my brother's IONIQ 5 yesterday. In i-Pedal mode, the brake lights only come on when you have fully released the accelerator....this is pretty concerning as the braking effect at max Regen is pretty high.

I had someone pull next to me to tell me my brake lights were not working.

I get that manual ice vehicles can engine brake, but most Americans are too busy texting to realize you are engine braking! This will cause accidents.
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I get that manual ice vehicles can engine brake, but most Americans are too busy texting to realize you are engine braking! This will cause accidents.
I agree. The entire purpose of brake lights is to provide warning to other road users that you are slowing down. ANYTHING that reduces your reliance on the (demonstrated lack of) skills of other drivers is a good thing.
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Lord have mercy this is being reposted to much lol. I wont go into details anymore. This may as well just be a vote.

My vote:

Strongly disagree with video.
Totally agree with this article!

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Whether you think a lack of brake lights on strong (but not foot-right-off) regen braking is a concern or not, it is certainly ridiculous that that is the situation when driving 'manually', but there is a ridiculously sensitive brake light response when in cruise control. Hyundai has got it wrong, they're either too sensitive or not sensitive enough, you can't have it both ways.
Its certainly the responsibility of the following driver not to hit you, but given the number of texting and generally inattentive drivers out there, I don't want to be forever making insurance claims and waiting for Hyundai parts to prove the point.
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Whether you think a lack of brake lights on strong (but not foot-right-off) regen braking is a concern or not, it is certainly ridiculous that that is the situation when driving 'manually', but there is a ridiculously sensitive brake light response when in cruise control. Hyundai has got it wrong, they're either too sensitive or not sensitive enough, you can't have it both ways.
Its certainly the responsibility of the following driver not to hit you, but given the number of texting and generally inattentive and drivers out there, I don't want to be forever making insurance claims and waiting for Hyundai parts to prove the point.
My guess is the Europeans will force a recall before the US does.
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