[Elisemkii]

Hi all,

I've used for three years with a lot of satisfaction the above mentioned android app. on my Toyota Auris.
It's a great tool to monitor and analyze a lot of data using a simple obdII adapter.
For instance on various Toyota Hibrid Model you can monitor the SOC value, Battery temperature, Engine Rev, speed, liter per 100km, Engine coolant temp. and so on.

Anyone has verify on Ioniq Hybrid?

It can be incredible to share the dashboard on the 8" lcs display via android auto!


Thanks a lot

alberto

 

[pmiddeld]

Hi Alberto,

Check out this site

Setting up Torque to show BMS data on the Ioniq EV - Hyundai IONIQ EV Forum

If you could make a "How to", I will be interested.

Saluti

 

[Elisemkii]

Thanks a lot;
hope that "the pids" are the same for the Hybrid Version.

Ciao
Alberto

 

[Elisemkii]

Up - No one has tried Torque Pro on an Hybrid Ioniq?
Looking for pids.

Many thanks

alberto

 

[Elisemkii]

First Log using Kia Rio Pids. Comparing with Toyota Hybrid one lot's of pids are missing.

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Start SOC % 62.00 Value of HV Battery at the beginning of the trip
End SOC % 55.00 Value of HV Battery at the end of the trip
SOC difference % -7.00 Difference between end and beginning
SOC % charged by ICE 39.50 HV Battery amount produced by engine
Average SOC % 60.78 Mean value during the trip
Difference from best % 0.78 60% is considered the best value
Standard Deviation 4.27 Deviation from 60%
Min SOC % 54.50 Minimum value of HV Battery in the whole trip
Max SOC % 70.00 Maximum value of HV Battery in the whole trip

ICE off % 59.54 Percentage of trip time where the engine was off
EV % 59.54 Percentage of trip time where the car was running in EV
EV Range 9.29 Total distance traveled in EV mode
Trip length 21.15 km
Ignitions 19.00 Times ICE was turned on
Inefficient Ignitions 3.00 Times ICE was turned on for less than 5 seconds


Average Coolant Temperature 69.48 Engine coolant fluid
Max Coolant Temperature 91.00 Engine coolant fluid
Time to reach 40C -0:00:35
Time to reach 60C 0:08:41
Time to reach 65C 0:10:13
Time to reach 70C 0:10:40
Time to reach 90C 0:13:02

Start Altitude 251.16 Altitude at the beginning of the trip
End Altitude 211.96 Altitude at the end of the trip
Delta Altitude -39.20 Difference from start to end
Min Altitude 176.19 Lower place
Max Altitude 319.77 Higher place

Average Engine Load 51.32 Mean value considering only non-zero values
Min Engine Load 13.33 Excluding zero values
Max Engine Load 61.18 Maximum value

Average Speed 48.37 Km/h
Top Speed 101.00 Km/h
Average Absolute Speed Variation 1.45 Speed variations during the trip (only while moving): measure your driving style
Max RPM 2452.00 RPMs
Average RPM 1763.56 RPMs
Trip length 21.15 km

 

[Coedy]

First Log using Kia Rio Pids. Comparing with Toyota Hybrid one lot's of pids are missing.
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Start SOC % 62.00 Value of HV Battery at the beginning of the trip
End SOC % 55.00 Value of HV Battery at the end of the trip
SOC difference % -7.00 Difference between end and beginning
SOC % charged by ICE 39.50 HV Battery amount produced by engine
Average SOC % 60.78 Mean value during the trip
Difference from best % 0.78 60% is considered the best value
Standard Deviation 4.27 Deviation from 60%
Min SOC % 54.50 Minimum value of HV Battery in the whole trip
Max SOC % 70.00 Maximum value of HV Battery in the whole trip

ICE off % 59.54 Percentage of trip time where the engine was off
EV % 59.54 Percentage of trip time where the car was running in EV
EV Range 9.29 Total distance traveled in EV mode
Trip length 21.15 km
Ignitions 19.00 Times ICE was turned on
Inefficient Ignitions 3.00 Times ICE was turned on for less than 5 seconds


Average Coolant Temperature 69.48 Engine coolant fluid
Max Coolant Temperature 91.00 Engine coolant fluid
Time to reach 40C -0:00:35
Time to reach 60C 0:08:41
Time to reach 65C 0:10:13
Time to reach 70C 0:10:40
Time to reach 90C 0:13:02

Start Altitude 251.16 Altitude at the beginning of the trip
End Altitude 211.96 Altitude at the end of the trip
Delta Altitude -39.20 Difference from start to end
Min Altitude 176.19 Lower place
Max Altitude 319.77 Higher place

Average Engine Load 51.32 Mean value considering only non-zero values
Min Engine Load 13.33 Excluding zero values
Max Engine Load 61.18 Maximum value

Average Speed 48.37 Km/h
Top Speed 101.00 Km/h
Average Absolute Speed Variation 1.45 Speed variations during the trip (only while moving): measure your driving style
Max RPM 2452.00 RPMs
Average RPM 1763.56 RPMs
Trip length 21.15 km

Interesting that the cars system records inefficient fire ups of the engine. This may mean that if this data is stored, when you have your services the dealer could fire it off to head office for refinements to the ECU Map.

Also, you seem to have found out the warm up time required to make a trip worthwhile. In theory, provided your journey is over 8mins you'll be making use of the hybrid system.

I've got torque pro and have used it on my VW Bora to clear codes and diagnose boost leaks previously but have never looked into custom PIDs.
Have you tried looking for a PID set for the Kia-Niro? It's pretty much the Ioniq wearing high heels.
I'll try looking around shortly and see if I can find anything.

 

[bluecar1]

the annoying thing for me is toque is not available on Microsoft phones


I may have to by a cheap android tablet as that data looks interesting

 

[Coedy]

Setting up Torque to show BMS data - Kia Soul EV Forum
Here is information relating to the Kia Soul EV (I have no idea how compatible it will be but I've spotted some items on there like Tyre Pressure monitoring system which Maaaaay transfer over?)

But that's all I can find.
I even tried looking for the Kia Optima Plug in Hybrid PIDs and found nothing...

 

[Coedy]

the annoying thing for me is toque is not available on Microsoft phones
I may have to by a cheap android tablet as that data looks interesting

You wouldn't even need a tablet, any Android phone should support the logging element. You just need to plug it in (if it's a longer trip so it can charge), plug in the sender unit into the OBD and forget about it! Then send the log to your email address from the phone. No need to actually view anything while driving.
(unless you want to add the digital guages etc for coolant temp and stuff like that, in which case I agree that maybe a tablet would be better)

 

[Elisemkii]

Sorry, I've used the Kia Soul EV pids, non the Rio one...
The analysis is done using a google spreadsheet add-on called Torque Log Analyzer that was built to analyze Toyota Hybrid Sys.
To have more info we must find pids as "Accel Pedal Pos #1" and "Batt Pack Current Val".

Inefficient Ignitions usually appens when ICE starts and for any reason you have to brake right away.

 

[DaveAZ]

Interesting that the cars system records inefficient fire ups of the engine. This may mean that if this data is stored, when you have your services the dealer could fire it off to head office for refinements to the ECU Map.

I believe that is discussed here.

Hyundai has improved the synching strategy for engine startup while transitioning from EV to HEV. Previous systems saw an engine rpm overshoot while attempting to synch engine and motor speeds, Schlingmann said. This can result in some additional clutch slippage.

For this system, Hyundai minimized rpm overshoot by improving upon past software strategies, moving from a map-based strategy to self-adaptive synch logic. As an example, it rpm overshoot is detected, the software notes this and adapts for the next event. This helps to shorten the synch timing as well as dampen engine startup shock.

Additionally, first and second gears are low enough that rpm increases rapidly during launch events, allowing for lower engine speed to motor synching.

 

[Elisemkii]

A new log file with little more detail.
A very short trip, less than 8km. Cold ICE with an S1 phase up to 39C water temperature. In this phase i've left my home car park and cover 385meters. The fuel used in this short time frame was up to 13cl on 79cl of the total amount used.

Just to share with you.

Start SOC % 48.50 Value of HV Battery at the beginning of the trip
End SOC % 52.00 Value of HV Battery at the end of the trip
SOC difference % 3.50 Difference between end and beginning
SOC % charged by ICE 24.50 HV Battery amount produced by engine
Average SOC % 54.21 Mean value during the trip
Difference from best % -5.79 60% is considered the best value
Standard Deviation 3.23 Deviation from 60%
Min SOC % 48.00 Minimum value of HV Battery in the whole trip
Max SOC % 61.50 Maximum value of HV Battery in the whole trip

ICE off % 50.87 Percentage of trip time where the engine was off
EV % 50.87 Percentage of trip time where the car was running in EV
EV Range 4.30 Total distance traveled in EV mode
Trip length 7.95 km
Ignitions 10.00 Times ICE was turned on
Inefficient Ignitions 3.00 Times ICE was turned on for less than 5 seconds
Excessive EV 6.00 Times EV was used too much
Battery Stress 238.20 Quadratic average of battery current flow
Max Current 251.70 Maximum output current from HV battery
Min Current 228.10 Maximum charge current to HV battery

ParaGlide % 0.00 Percentage of driving time where the car was moving gliding (approximate value)
Longest ParaGlide sequence 0.00 Longest paraglide, in seconds

Average Coolant Temperature 51.34 Engine coolant fluid
Max Coolant Temperature 71.00 Engine coolant fluid
Time to reach 40C 0:02:43
Time to reach 60C 0:05:57
Time to reach 65C 0:06:31
Time to reach 70C 0:07:29
Time to reach 90C 24:00:00

Start Altitude 353.40 Altitude at the beginning of the trip
End Altitude 223.14 Altitude at the end of the trip
Delta Altitude -130.26 Difference from start to end
Min Altitude 217.42 Lower place
Max Altitude 373.75 Higher place

Average Engine Load 43.24 Mean value considering only non-zero values
Min Engine Load 12.16 Excluding zero values
Max Engine Load 57.65 Maximum value

Average Speed 36.19 Km/h
Top Speed 89.00 Km/h
Average Absolute Speed Variation 3.02 Speed variations during the trip (only while moving): measure your driving style
Max RPM 2338.00 RPMs
Average RPM 1563.00 RPMs
Trip length 7.95 km
Fuel used 0.57 litres, as reported by Torque
Fuel economy 13.87 Km/L
Best fuel economy 16.29 Km/L
Fuel consumption 7.21 L/100Km

Average Accelerator % 19.66 Accelerator Pedal Usage
Standard Deviation 4.76
Average Absolute Accelerator Variation 3.61 Accelerator variations during the trip (only while moving): measure your driving style


Analysis for car type: HSD
Check Log sheet for additional info
R43

 

[JejuSoul]

A new log file with little more detail.
A very short trip, less than 8km. Cold ICE with an S1 phase up to 39C water temperature. In this phase i've left my home car park and cover 385meters. The fuel used in this short time frame was up to 13cl on 79cl of the total amount used.

Just to share with you.

Start SOC % 48.50 Value of HV Battery at the beginning of the trip
End SOC % 52.00 Value of HV Battery at the end of the trip
SOC difference % 3.50 Difference between end and beginning
SOC % charged by ICE 24.50 HV Battery amount produced by engine
Average SOC % 54.21 Mean value during the trip

Hi, I am the author of the PID codes for the Kia Soul EV. I would be interested to know which of these codes are working on the Hyundai Ioniq HEV. The Battery Management System BMS is known to be shared on all current Hyundai / Kia BEVs, but I had no idea it was also shared by the Hybrids and presumably PHEV's as well.

 

[Rene Scheffers]

So far I didn't manage to make a track record of the Kia Soul PIDs on my Ioniq Hybrid Premium. Only standard ECU sensors are tracked next to some real time data, most of them fuel economy and CO2 related. Nothing about the BMS or TPMS/VMCU. Its unclear for me if this is due to the Hybrid sensors not being compatible with KIa Soul or simply my adapter is junk. It was a cheap model ( see picture). But perhaps the Soul PIDS are just not suitable for the Hybrid. I planned to purchase a OBDLink-LX adapter, but postponed this as long as I'm not sure that this one will work on the hybrid.

These sensors are recorded:
GPS Time
Device Time
Longitude
Latitude
GPS Speed(km/h)
Horizontal Dilution of Precision
Altitude(m)
Bearing
Gravity X(G)
Gravity Y(G)
Gravity Z(G)
Fuel flow rate/minute(cc/min)
Miles Per Gallon(Long Term Average)(mpg)
CO2‚‚ in g/km (Average)(g/km)
CO2‚‚ in g/km (Instantaneous)(g/km)
Miles Per Gallon(Instant)(mpg)

Attached is also the latest tracklog ( exerpt because of its size) over a 5 km drive yesterday evening.

Ioniq Hybrid: it remains a discovery to explore new worlds, to boldly go where no one has ever gone before!

 

[bluecar1]

Ah, are you using the std kia soul PIDs or the "Kia soul EV" PIDs? As they are different

 

[Rene Scheffers]

I used the Kia Soul EV 2016 pids. Made some progress right now. It seems that I used the wrong OBD protocol. After a thorough scan the adapter responded to protocol ISO15765-4CAN11/500. Good to know.
Don't have a clue what it means, but now the adapter reports that the ECU supports a lot more sensors than I got initially. Great! Next, I discovered that you can TEST any PID on ECU reponse. The result was that many Kia Soul EV PIDs got a hex response from the ECU. Hooray!
I suppose I can track record a lot more parameters now. Not sure however if these figures make sense for the Ioniq hybrid. Appreciate support from PID experts on this forum to bring this astronaut further in the Ioniq hybrid universe. ENGAGE!!

 

[JejuSoul]

This is OBDII data fom the Ioniq Electric BMS with the free alOBDterminal android app in combination with a Konnwei KW902 Bluetooth dongle:
It would be great if you could post the results from querying the BMS of the Ioniq Hybrid

See more about these results here - Setting up Torque to show BMS data on the Ioniq EV - Hyundai IONIQ EV Forum .

 

[Rene Scheffers]

I'll give it a try. Keep you posted. However dont have a konwei. See if my adapter shows something similar.

 

[Rene Scheffers]

I got no sensor response on the Kia Soul EV PID using the alOBD terminal app. See attached screenshot. This can indicate that I have a junk adapter or that the PID codes are not compatible with the Ioniq hybrid.

> ati and >atz. Give no response
code 2101 either, no flashing cursor either.

 

[Rene Scheffers]

Have definitly ordered the OBDlink LX adapter. Will test the ECU of my hybrid again on the alOBD terminal app .