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and yet another https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1116664_ntsb-launches-investigation-into-another-tesla-crash-after-it-caught-fire-and-killed-two-teens-in-florida
NTSB launches investigation into another Tesla crash after it caught fire and killed two teens in Florida

The National Transportation Safety Board announced Wednesday that it is investigating a crash involving a Tesla that killed two teens and injured a third in Florida.
A gray 2014 Model S reportedly ran off the road Tuesday and struck a concrete wall before catching on fire and killing the two teens inside and injuring a third who was ejected from the car in Ft. Lauderdale.
The driver, who was killed, was identified as Barrett Riley. Edgar Monserratt was also killed. A spokeswoman from Tesla didn't immediately comment on this story.
Police said speed may have been a factor in the crash. Police told CNBC they are not focusing on AutoPilot as a cause, but they reportedly told NBC Miami that they are investigating the battery pack to see why the car caught fire so quickly.

another tesla battery fire :(
 

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Battery fires to scare me. When Richard Hammond crashed that Rimac concept, apparently the car kept catching fire for several days after the accident.
 

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Again, it's not good to presume based on the limited information available. The ejection of at least one car occupant suggests no seat belt so it's possible the car was being driven by cretins.
In which case the fire was the least of their worries...
 

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With vehicles from proper car companies such as the likes of I-Pace and the first of Merc's EQ range on the immediate horizon, who would still want to pay megabucks for a glorified computer disguised as an automobile?

Tesla are about to see some serious competition!
 

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With vehicles from proper car companies such as the likes of I-Pace and the first of Merc's EQ range on the immediate horizon, who would still want to pay megabucks for a glorified computer disguised as an automobile?

Tesla are about to see some serious competition!
Well they've nailed their colo(u)rs to the mast of mass market production and still only managed to make 9,766 Model 3's in the first quarter of 2018.
They promised 20,000 a month by the end of 2017.

And now Senior VP of Engineering, Doug Field is taking time off as part of an indefinite leave of absence. Field was seen as the architect of the Model 3.

Production is continuing to climb but is a long way from making Tesla a mass-market player, rather than a debt-ridden, stock-swollen laughing stock with unfulfilled promises and rapidly-declining potential.

Setting their customers on fire probably isn't helping...
 

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Production is continuing to climb but is a long way from making Tesla a mass-market player, rather than a debt-ridden, stock-swollen laughing stock with unfulfilled promises and rapidly-declining potential.
Agreed.

Tesla have [personal opinion] long been attempting to mass-market badly screwed\welded together metal boxes with cruddy interior, but have so far gotten away with it owing to no other long(er) range EV's being on the market, and their Supercharger network.

The Model-S is aesthetically uninspiring and the Model-X has got to be the ugliest SUV on the planet!
I don't need to say any more, do I? ;)
 

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You trolls never tire do you :)
I think most agree mr musk has done a lot to make EV's cool, and has done a lot to promote them and bring them to the mass market (would be better if he could get anywhere near his production targets :) )

like Toyota have done for the hybrid market with the prius, but Toyota have been a lot more successful in sorting out the production issues and keeping pace with demand

if you also look at the reliability stats tesla are not a reliable car see https://www.newsy.com/stories/tesla-ranks-low-in-consumer-reports-reliability-survey/

if you google tesla low reliability you get the idea, but to be fair they are trying to resolve this but it is still a work in progress and personally I think he should get the model 3 sorted before he starts selling the model Y

its a bit like the Toyota guys over on priuschat calling the Ioniq the "Ironic"
 

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Well it really needs to be said that ol` Elon is running out of time to start fulfilling production promises...

Usual `pub chat` among the green car users/seekers down my way sees MOST no longer looking to buy a Model 3, and the only really keen purchaser has long since got his deposit back - although he is looking at a used Model S instead.

The shine is wearing off, what with one thing or another.
 

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Seems I'm not the only one sharing the view that Tesla has ideas completely above its station:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/musk-says-thorough-reorganisation-underway-at-tesla/ar-AAxhYFm

Shares fall 5% when Elon promises Model 3 production is on track? Seems shareholders are beginning to get nervous...

A U.S. traffic safety regulator on May 2 contradicted Tesla's claim that the agency had found that its Autopilot technology significantly reduced crashes.

The NTSB is now conducting its' fourth investigation into crashes of Tesla cars, while on Monday, firefighters in Switzerland said a fatal accident involving a Tesla may have set off a fire in the car's battery in the latest `fireball` accident involving a Tesla.

Finally, the company changed the terms of its borrowing agreement with banks to allow it to pledge its Fremont, California, auto plant as collateral.

Does this really sound like a success story? :(
 

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