Are these EPA range numbers?? I read that they were "Hyundai" numbers which doesn't make sense to me. Are they WLTP or EPA or something else?

 

WLTP: 382 miles.
EPA (hyundai estimated): 340 miles.

Ahh looks like one of the articles I read was wrong, but it is the figure Hyundai expects the EPA to arrive at.

 

Gotcha. Hyundai should just quote WLTP numbers . . . The EPA will be lower than WLTP but a lot of these articles make it sound like the Ioniq 6 range will be less in NA than both the Korean and Euro models, which doesn't make much sense. The camera side mirrors make a little bit of difference but only 3 miles maybe, not 40.

 

283 for the AWD version….,if interpolation works. I like my 5 a lot more….losing utility is not worth 30 miles but it’s a great car! I want the steering wheel charge symbols,,,,

 

Who knows where Hyundai got these new numbers but according to the article Zamafir posted, the AWD range is 310.

 

We will know when the EPA tests it.....

 

True, true but what's best are the real world tests. I am waiting for Bjorn Nyland to drive one in Sweden for 1000km. I also like the Out of Spec guys in the US.

 

I would love to see what smaller wheel sizes can be used on this car in order to achieve more mileage. Perhaps some 17" while still retaining the overall diameter. The only thing is how that would negatively impact driving dynamics and cornering taking the weight of the vehicle into consideration.

 

My bad, up to 360 miles range. They nailed it with this spot and the specs are fantastic!

 

My bad, up to 360 miles range. They nailed it with this spot and the specs are fantastic!

The fine print in the ad and on the press release (https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/3751):

Estimated driving range of 361 miles for 2023 IONIQ 6 SE Long Range RWD (referenced in ads) and 270 miles for IONIQ 6 Limited AWD (shown in ads)...Estimates based on internal testing with anticipated EPA certification pending.

Unfortunately not EPA certified still, and the features aren't going to match the range if they only have the Limited trim available with 20" wheels and AWD.

Early Korean reviews people noticed ~3.5mi/kWh efficiency and called it out as lacking but wrote it off due to being on a test track and aggressive driving. It is increasingly clear that the AWD + 20" wheels destroy the efficiency gains this vehicle could have brought. Does e-GMP have an inefficient AWD drivetrain? I need to see some real-world 70mph tests (and pricing information) because this is not the meaningful improvement over Ioniq 5 I expected to see.

 

EPA confirmed, 361 miles, best in class range, charging speed, build quality, etc. nailed it!

 

Im confused about the EPA range...

see below - so going from 18 to 20 inch you automatically lost almost 60 miles?? seems a bit excessive!
and AWD+20 inch you lose 90 miles

in the UK we only have the 20 inch option, no 18 inch wheels. so I guess the range is only impressive if going for the 18 inch RWD, otherwise the rest of the figures are similar to others (ioniq 5, EV6)

• Ioniq 6 SE RWD Long Range (18-inch wheels): 361 miles (581 km)
  140 MPGe - 241 Wh/mi (150 Wh/km)
• Ioniq 6 SE AWD Long Range (18-inch wheels): 316 miles (508 km)
  121 MPGe - 279 Wh/mi (173 Wh/km)
• Ioniq 6 SEL RWD (20-inch wheels): 305 miles (491 km)
  117 MPGe - 288 Wh/mi (179 Wh/km)
• Ioniq 6 SEL AWD (20-inch wheels): 270 miles (434 km)
  103 MPGe - 327 Wh/mi (203 Wh/km)
• Ioniq 6 Limited RWD (20-inch wheels): 305 miles (491 km)
  117 MPGe - 288 Wh/mi (179 Wh/km)
• Ioniq 6 Limited AWD (20-inch wheels): 270 miles (434 km)
  103 MPGe - 327 Wh/mi (203 Wh/km)

 

Sounds like the Ioniq 6 is no longer interesting (to me). Once you throw in the larger wheels and AWD (a safety concern for us, rather than power), you're sacrificing space and efficiency over something like the Model Y. I was looking for 300+ mile EPA, but since there is no combination of features + efficiency offered, and the best color is not available, and with the state of non-Tesla charging in the USA, I think I'm going to be refunding my deposit in the near future.

As much as I hate the musk melon, range + AWD + smaller wheels + storage + charging is harder to beat than I thought it would be. The only area where Ioniq wins is the V2L option, but again, that's only for the high-end version, which now I find out won't actually have efficiency. I'm not going to throw away everyday efficiency for a once-in-a-long-time emergency option.

-/\/

 

Yeah, I want 300mi + range with AWD and not 20" wheels. I don't want to pay over $300 per tire on 20's and would rather that extra safety factor with an 18" wheel. I really want to know if the SEL or Limited had 18" wheels, could it get the extra 30 miles of range?! If I ultimately get this car, it might be the first one where I buy smaller wheels aftermarket. I think Hyundai really needs a build option to downsize to 18" wheels.

 

Tires are what, like every 4 years or so? Tire price is in the noise floor. I bought the 6 in part for range, so wasn't feeling the SEL or Limited. I'm REALLY curious if putting something SMALLER than 18" on my SE AWD LR would increase the range.

The synthesized 360 overhead view would have been nice but not worth crying about or the range hit. And twennies make me cringe.

Speaking of range, I'm finding the car's estimate to be nearly useless. cf the attached photo. And yeah I wish the car icon would match the body color.

 

The EPA range is confusing, I wonder if they're using the more generous test tesla uses to make numbers more impressive? It'll be interesting to see what reviewers/etc see.

 

Just waiting for an OEM to release a car with a low enough MSRP to really undercut Tesla, like a $35,000 Ioniq 6 SE LR. If you can profit $10k per car on the back end, just imagine how much market share you'll pull from Tesla and really make them hurt. If I can get an EV from a reputable manufacturer like Hyundai with excellent build quality for $10k less than a Tesla with maybe a glass roof that can stay put or a steering wheel that may fall off, then Tesla will need to go back to the drawing board and address their quality issues and refine their cost to construct and stop being so f'n cheap. Once these legacy automakers can construct EVs to be in that $30k range with good mileage, they can produce at those large numbers and Tesla will be a thing of the past.

 

I mean, the Equinox EV will be a great test. IONIQ5 range for 12k less? Awesome.

Also, it'll be interesting to see how the EV9 does - with a 220 mile entry model, range won't be great for people who like to brag, but man, 30k cheaper than the next closest actual 3 row - might make a lot of sense for folks just taking kids to soccer with that vehicle, etc. It's a great year to see how this all comes to rest.

What's funny is the market share stuff. OEMs are wildly profitable across all modes of propulsion and not just consumer, commercial etc. And their EV market share is growing consistently, they'll be fine. Well at least the big four platforms, Koreans, Ultium, Ford and Geely.

 

I have 225/55R18 on my Crosstrek plug-in hybrid and it rides just fine. Definitely don't need to go to 20" wheels though and it's a bummer you can't option the car with 18"s at the higher trim levels. I know other companies will allow you to option different wheels so I hope Hyundai allows it. I also noticed that the 18"s have a 51mm offset and the 20"s have a 53.5mm offset. I would imagine the offset is to allow either 18" or 20" to sit well with the fenders since the 18"s are 7.5" wide and the 20"s are 8.5" wide.