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PHEV in extreme cold

I'm currently looking at buying a Ioniq PHEV and was wondering what they were like in the winter. I live in Saskatchewan and we can get -40C for a week or so, with an average closer to -20C for the winter. My work commute is approx 75kms round trip, with the majority of that being on the highway. I put on approx 2000kms a month, approx 85% highway driving at 105-110kph. My garage is heated, so nightly charging would not be an issue. There is currently no charge point at work, but that might change down the road.
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I test drove the Kona EV and didn't like the 100% EVness of it, and the price difference it too great.
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A lesser range EV like the Ionic BEV should cost much less than the Kona and would satisfy your commute of 75km in even the coldest temps. I’ve had the Ionic BEV for 2 winters and I can get 150km in -25C. You should still be well above 100km during the week of -40C. Also, as of May 1st there is a $5000 Canadian Federal rebate for EV’s which brings down price below the PHEV which I don’t think qualifies as the battery doesn’t meet their min size

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The rebate is supposed to be $2500.00 on the PHEV on May 1st. I do a 400km trip once or twice a month which takes the Ionic EV out of the equation. I also do the odd 900km trip.
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I do a 400km trip once or twice a month which takes the Ionic EV out of the equation. I also do the odd 900km trip.
That's what DC fast chargers are for. However, looking at the charge maps, I see Saskatchewan is not big on them. Pity.

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Exactly. I'm guessing in the next 4-5 years that will be different and I will be looking at pure EV when it's time for a new vehicle.
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I'm currently looking at buying a Ioniq PHEV and was wondering what they were like in the winter. I live in Saskatchewan and we can get -40C for a week or so, with an average closer to -20C for the winter. My work commute is approx 75kms round trip, with the majority of that being on the highway. I put on approx 2000kms a month, approx 85% highway driving at 105-110kph. My garage is heated, so nightly charging would not be an issue. There is currently no charge point at work, but that might change down the road.
I've had my phev Ioniq for one winter in Ohio. Not as cold as Saskatchewan, the coldest I saw this year was about -10 F (-23 C). I don't have a garage and on those cold mornings the phev would display a message on the dash indicating that it was running in hev mode. I don't know the exact temperature when it does this but I think I saw it at around -5 F (-20 C). Since you have a garage your car will be warm when you start out but eventually you will want cabin heat which is generated from the gas engine. As long as you know this ahead of time and understand that the car will be running the gas engine in these cases then you should be fine. Of course the heated seats help and that doesnt require the gas engine. But -40 C is pretty cold and at 75 kms you are going to be in hev mode for part of the commute any way.

You wont have to worry about your 12 V car starter battery going dead in the cold weather any more. I periodically see messages on the dash in the morning indicating that the aux battery charging system was used. If it senses that the 12 V battery is going low then it recharges it from the traction battery. (I have a 2018 US phev Ioniq. I think this arrangement varies in other countries or model years?)

I think it drives in the snow like a typical front wheel drive car. I didn't notice anything good or bad that way last winter. But I think the ground clearance is less than some cars. Not sure if that could be an issue.

I posted a question about cold weather charging with the phev a while back hoping to get feedback from owners in northern Europe where it gets good and cold. But I didn't see much response. Maybe not an issue for you since you have a garage.
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I have a PHEV in Southern Ontario (and lived in Sask for a while! But not with the Ioniq) and it was just fine over the winter. My car is parked in a garage with no door and the charging cable was left plugged in all the time. The battery range was slightly lower in cold weather and fuel consumption went up to accommodate the heat. Got some winter tires for it and had no issues whatsoever.

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