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Question PHEV Ioniq outside of CARB states

According to this map, I see there are a few PHEV owners out there outside the CARB states where the PHEV Ioniq is stocked. How did you folks get your vehicles? Were you able to order a PHEV Ioniq through a local dealer, or did you travel to a dealer in a state that carries them? This source suggests local dealers will help you get a PHEV, but the local Hyundai dealers I have contacted so far have all told me they can not get a PHEV Ioniq. Thanks everyone!
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Use the Hyundai site to find the closest cars - If you really want one, buy remote and travel to pickup

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I started looking for a phev Ioniq at the two local Hyundai dealerships here in Toledo, OH. The first dealership had a couple hev Ioniqs on the lot so I test drove one of those. They didn't know how or if they could get a phev Ioniq. After some investigation, they thought maybe they could get one but it wasn't clear how, or when, or how much it would cost. Apparently they do not get to choose what vehicles get delivered to them from the factory. And they were not sure how/if we could order one specifically. It was confusing, probably because they didn't know how the process might work, they were more interested in selling me a hev off of the lot, and they were continually vague about the costs. Eventually they suggested that it would probably cost $30,000 if they were able to get a phev for me. I think this would be before taxes and fees which was about $5000 more than MSRP. But they were always so evasive with pricing that it is hard to tell.

I went to the second local Hyundai dealership but it is owned by the same family so I didn't expect much. The salesman there tried to convince me that the car I really wanted was an Elantra. I already knew what I wanted so I didn't waste any more time there.

I started searching for the phev Ioniq on Cars.com. This was just as the phev version was being released in the US and there were not a lot to choose from. I wanted a base model white phev Ioniq and found a few in NY, NJ, and MA. One dealership in NJ would not deliver the car to me so I would have to find a way to come get it. I didn't like the idea of driving a car with a brand new engine across the country at highway speeds, paying for a plane ticket, or arranging to have it towed, etc. The car in NY sold before I could make an offer.

I negotiated with the dealership in MA over the phone for the total cost (car, fees, registration, taxes, and delivery to OH). We agreed on $28,300 total out the door. I think the delivery probably cost about $500 but it wasn't broken out so I don't know. (I had called a couple trucking companies when I was investigating my options and their costs ranged from $500 - $1000). This salesman then tried to charge me $300 more than our agreed price. Thankfully I had an email with our agreed price and terms. After that it took about a month and a half to actually get the car. It was a long wait for me. Partly because I was buying the car from 12 hours away sight unseen and after they tried to cheat me out of more money I could not trust them anymore to deliver the car as promised. And this was compounded by the dealership's terrible customer service. Trying to get them to respond to emails or phone calls was terrible. But the wait was short compared to what some on this forum have experienced.

I wish the phev Ioniq was more widely available. But in the end the car arrived, it drives great, there were no problems, it's the perfect car for me, and I would do it again. Good luck finding one for yourself.

p.s. - After the whole thing was done I wondered if it would have been easier/closer to find a phev Ioniq in Ontario Canada and then just drive an hour or two home. But apparently this is not allowed? I didn't really look into it in much detail.

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The whole frustrating experience has convinced me that Tesla has the right idea to sell their cars direct online without dealerships. Cut out the money hungry middle man. Get the exact car you want, where ever you are. However, I was able to test drive the hev Ioniq at my local dealership and I wouldn't want to buy a car without driving it first. So I dont know how to get past that hurdle.

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Has anyone been able to purchase a PHEV Ioniq ordered from a dealer in a non zero-emission state?

From everything I've read in publications, I should be able to order one through my local (Florida) dealer. My local dealer has said they could order it, but didn't have immediate access to pricing. Two weeks later the best the've been able to tell me is they think it might take up to 6 months to deliver after ordering - but still no pricing.

Edmunds lists the PHEV average sales price nationally at about $1K under MSRP, and it takes me about 20 seconds to get MSRP for the options I want on Hyundai's web site, so I doubt any rocket science is involved in a dealership figuring out what price they can sell a car for. It's what they do every day. My suspicion is they are far more interested in steering me to the HEV models they have stacking up interest payments on the lot.

Anyone had any luck placing an order at a non-stocking dealership? Any tips or recommendations?
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Buying from Canada theoretically saves money despite import duties. There is some frustrating paperwork to fill out at the border. But the big kicker is Canadian Hyundai/Kia dealers are not allowed to sell to non-residents.

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It was not easy to find a PHEV in CT, one of the CARB states, in Sept/Oct 2018. We first went through the CostCo car buying service (which, at the time, didn't include the Ioniq). None were in stock, they could maybe get one from another dealer. Contacted two other dealers. They all told me the same thing - none available without special order, and essentially no discounts. So we ordered one from the closest dealer, made the required deposit, and as described elsewhere, it showed up 12-16 weeks after we ordered it.

I believe most of the Ioniq PHEV and BEV US Delivery is allocated to the West Coast. It is very rare to sight any version of the Ioniq in the wild here.

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Thanks to everyone for their thoughts so far, and my apologies to those outside the US who have wasted their time reading this thread - I should have specified USA in the title: I'm sorry about that.


The exact car I'm looking for is sitting in lots in MD, MA, and CA, but nothing closer to me (in MN) than that.


Jonboy, thank you doubly for your very detailed retelling of your story. Would you be willing to share the name of the dealer you worked with? You and I seem to have a lot in common, though I'm going to look at a Niro this week, as they are now available in PHEV form on lots here.
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One thing to consider is warranty/repairs. In Canada (not sure if it's the same in the US) dealerships that do not have a charge station and trained mechanics are not allowed to sell or service (oil changes are probably OK) the PHEV or EV. If a Niro PHEV is available locally that might be a consideration.
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It was not easy to find a PHEV in CT, one of the CARB states, in Sept/Oct 2018. We first went through the CostCo car buying service (which, at the time, didn't include the Ioniq). None were in stock, they could maybe get one from another dealer. Contacted two other dealers. They all told me the same thing - none available without special order, and essentially no discounts. So we ordered one from the closest dealer, made the required deposit, and as described elsewhere, it showed up 12-16 weeks after we ordered it.

I believe most of the Ioniq PHEV and BEV US Delivery is allocated to the West Coast. It is very rare to sight any version of the Ioniq in the wild here.

Most dealers near me that had the plugin on the lot were telling me that they were in high demand and saying they weren't discounting - This was not true because I had been tracking what cars were available for months before my purchase.


I've only seen three Ioniq's in the wild, one at my work in RI, one at a restaurant near home, and silver/grey one driving home from Norwich Ct (Rt 395)

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